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Title: This is not your Dad's Multiverse! Post by: Super Monkey on January 25, 2007, 08:32:14 PM The all new Multiverse is more like the Pre-Crisis Multiverse and Hypertime all rolled into one. With Elseworlds stories now really exist in some other Earth, same with Kingdom Come and the return of some old school ones as well and brand new ones never before seen.
Behold a Taste: http://www.newsarama.com/dcnew/WWIII/dcart.jpg Warning: Since this is Johns baby aka gore Title: Re: This is not your Dad's Multiverse! Post by: davidelliott on January 26, 2007, 11:08:39 AM Well, that's pretty logical... although the gore aspect I guess would fit some different Earths, I just don't want it on the primary Earth that is read about each month.
Title: Re: This is not your Dad's Multiverse! Post by: Super Monkey on January 26, 2007, 11:42:37 AM Well, that's pretty logical... although the gore aspect I guess would fit some different Earths, I just don't want it on the primary Earth that is read about each month. It could be there too, I just wish they wouldn't force it on characters that do not need it and never had it before. I don't think I could ever get used to seeing every new drawing of Black Adam with him dripping blood. Ironically, now there will way more Supermen than there were pre-crisis. Title: Re: This is not your Dad's Multiverse! Post by: Michel Weisnor on January 26, 2007, 11:45:49 AM Superman cries more than any superhero. :'(
Okay.....here's my theory. This Earth is where all the DC heroes go when they die. According to the Monitors, Kyle Rayner and Donna Troy are supposed to be dead, Mary Marvel is in critical condition/dying, Wally West or Barry Allen? is missing, E-2 Superman and E-2 Wonder Woman (although they don't appear to be from E-2) went somewhere else, Mister Miracle could be dead ( I never completely grasped Morrison's Seven Soldiers). Ted Kord, Maxwell Lord, Jade, and the Question all appear to be missing legs and arms as if they didn't phase correctly into the new reality. I am not sure about the other heroes. Title: Re: This is not your Dad's Multiverse! Post by: TELLE on January 26, 2007, 01:50:36 PM Tom Spurgeon had some good comments on his blog today:
Quote * Crying Superman in his various forms has to be the goofy comic book image of the decade, and is battling Jimmy Olsen in a Dress and that beautiful square planet establishing shot in the Bizarro comics for goofiest superhero-related image ever. Crying Superman should have his own comic. Clark Verklempt. * Given the unpleasant feelings generated by Crying Superman and Supes' general dickweedishness in last summer's movie, is there some sort of strange directive from DC to make us hate Superman now? * The bodies in the foreground indicate that the events will be driven by or at least reflective of various character deaths. Death is certainly a factor in a lot of art, but mainstream American comic book deaths are strange in that they're portrayed as uniquely tragic occasions in a way that has almost nothing to do with what happens when people you and I know die and are remembered. They're kind of like celebrity deaths, just without the tether that when you look at a celebrity death you know it's a real person and someone out there will genuinely miss them on a more human level. They're a bit like TV character deaths, but with a lot more wallowing and dramatic posing and no closure. * The dead people represent something strange in historical comic book terms as well. Somehow the treatment of death in these books seems less sophisticated than works from 30 years ago. Sad Nightcrawler pausing in Canada to remember his just-deceased pal in one of the late Claremont/Byrne X-Men is beginning to look like Cordelia in King Lear compared to some of the torn shirt histrionics super-duper comics trade in these days. http://www.comicsreporter.com/index.php/mainstream_comic_books_are_weird/ Title: Re: This is not your Dad's Multiverse! UPDATE Post by: Michel Weisnor on January 26, 2007, 03:43:07 PM http://www.newsarama.com/dcnew/WWIII/bigteaserimage.html
Title: Re: This is not your Dad's Multiverse! Post by: davidelliott on January 26, 2007, 06:07:12 PM I dunno about where dead heroes go... like a Valhalla... the characters (as I descern them) are from different realities. Red Robin and the swashbuckling style Batman are evident of that. I thought Kyle Rayner was now Ion? Did he die?
Title: Re: This is not your Dad's Multiverse! Post by: Michel Weisnor on January 26, 2007, 06:31:11 PM I just remembered, Nightwing is also supposed to be dead. Maybe, Red Robin was meant to die or perhaps he is Nightwing? ???
Title: Re: This is not your Dad's Multiverse! Post by: Kuuga on January 27, 2007, 12:58:41 AM Johns just can't seem to get through the day without blood being spilled can he? More Earths, more angst, more gore. What was all that about the Iron Age being over?
I've got a sinking feeling that crying Superman means Lois is gonna be the next refrigerator girl. DC's got a death-list, checking it twice. Title: Re: This is not your Dad's Multiverse! Post by: Super Monkey on January 31, 2007, 07:21:00 PM Answers from Dan Didio:
http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=99665 Title: Re: This is not your Dad's Multiverse! Post by: Michel Weisnor on February 01, 2007, 07:41:49 PM Today, I read Ion #10. This miniseries is a precursor of a multiverse to come....
Lets back up and I'll start again. Mr. Majestic, a Wildstorm hero, guest starred in Superman stories before returning to said universe. Last year, Will Pfeifer wrote "Captain Atom: Armageddon" incorporating Captain Atom into the Wildstorm Universe. Since Captain Atom's DCU return, he's wearing armour worn previously by Monarch, a villain from Armageddon 2001. Spoilers... "So many worlds. Why shouldn't they all get a chance to live?" - Captain Atom Ion #9 ends with Kyle Rayner's struggle with two unknown antagonists from an alternative Earth. These assailants are from the Tangent Universe, Earth-97. Subsequently, Kyle is defeated. Now in Ion#10, he appears in an unknown void. Turns out, it's actually the Bleed, a space between universes. The Bleed first appeared in Warren Ellis' Stormwatch and was further explained in his Authority series. This bit of information is explained to Kyle by none other than Captain Atom/Monarch! Seems, he is able to traverse the Void and even battles Wildstorm's cruel Daemonites. So, the new multiverse appears to adopt the Bleed. Another interesting note, there appears to be rules to alternative earth crossovers. Two young boys are in the Bleed before Kyle's arrival. After Kyle's in the Bleed, three Tangent heroes are present in DCU. Tangent Green Lantern begins to use her Lantern to form other Tangent heroes in DCU while DCU people disappear. However, Kyle stops her, bringing back the kids and himself; while the three Tangent heroes disappear. There may be a correlation between those coming and going between universes. They swap out. I'm not sure if this rule only applies to Tangent characters or not. tidbits The Monitors were introduced in Brave New World. Captain Atom knows they exist and tells Kyle the Bleed is a place the Monitors cannot see into. The Guardians send Kyle to Sector 3388 where he finds an asteroid base with massacred Qwardians and Donna Troy. Title: Re: This is not your Dad's Multiverse! Post by: Great Rao on February 01, 2007, 09:03:52 PM Somehow it seems like it was all much simpler back before Crisis on Infinite Earths...
Title: Re: This is not your Dad's Multiverse! Post by: Superman of America on February 02, 2007, 06:39:11 PM It seems to me that the new Multiverse will include Tangent, Wildstorm, & All-Star universes.
Title: DC 2007: So Begins the End.... Post by: Michel Weisnor on February 03, 2007, 12:01:32 AM Again?! ;D
http://dccomics.com/media/desktop_patterns/DC_2007_So_Begins_the_End_800x600.jpg http://dccomics.com/media/desktop_patterns/DC_2007_So_Begins_the_End_1024x768.jpg http://dccomics.com/media/desktop_patterns/DC_2007_So_Begins_the_End_1280x1024.jpg http://dccomics.com/media/desktop_patterns/DC_2007_So_Begins_the_End_1600x1200.jpg Strap in guys & gals, it's going to be a long year. Title: Re: DC 2007: So Begins the End.... Post by: Great Rao on February 03, 2007, 12:22:38 AM Again?! ;D ... Strap in guys & gals, it's going to be a long year. There's a reason it was called Infinite Crisis. It's going to be one long never-ending perpetual mega-crossover event. Title: Re: DC 2007: So Begins the End.... Post by: Johnny Nevada on February 03, 2007, 08:24:50 PM Again?! ;D ... Strap in guys & gals, it's going to be a long year. There's a reason it was called Infinite Crisis. It's going to be one long never-ending perpetual mega-crossover event. Heh! Title: Re: This is not your Dad's Multiverse! Post by: jamespup on February 03, 2007, 09:18:44 PM I'm really starting to like that "Heh !"
especially since All-Star Superman #6 ! Title: Re: This is not your Dad's Multiverse! Post by: Superman of America on February 03, 2007, 10:37:42 PM I don't mind another year long event but please no more crazy despots trying to remake the universe in their image. Just for once can they rule the universe without trying to change it?
Title: Re: This is not your Dad's Multiverse! Post by: Super Monkey on February 03, 2007, 11:13:17 PM I don't mind another year long event but please no more crazy despots trying to remake the universe in their image. Just for once can they rule the universe without trying to change it? no Title: Re: This is not your Dad's Multiverse! Post by: Kuuga on February 04, 2007, 12:12:44 PM Somehow it seems like it was all much simpler back before Crisis on Infinite Earths... That right there is the punchline to the whole DC Comics 20 year bloodsoaked joke. So, yet another big bloated event. Wonder who they are checking off their death-list to be gored this time? I bet Johns is salivating like Hannibal Lecter to get to it. Title: Re: This is not your Dad's Multiverse! Post by: Johnny Nevada on February 04, 2007, 02:10:37 PM I'm really starting to like that "Heh !" especially since All-Star Superman #6 ! I've used "Heh" for years online, well before All-Star Superman... so maybe they swiped it from me! Yeah, that's it... erm, or maybe not... ;-) Title: Re: This is not your Dad's Multiverse! Post by: crispy snax on February 04, 2007, 10:54:18 PM another "worlds live, worlds die nothing will be the same" event???? another "big bad guy who wants to remake the universe"???
toooo much, it seems like the heroes never have a chance to settle down before WOW ANOTHER BIG UNIVERSAL APOCALYPISY THING!! im gonna go make a fort out of all the showcase presents and pre crisis reprint stuff now... at least that universe is closed off Title: Re: This is not your Dad's Multiverse! Post by: Super Monkey on February 05, 2007, 01:13:15 AM Pre-Crisis was easier to understand and actually made sense for the most part.
It seems as if DC is doing nothing but "huge" events these days. Title: Re: This is not your Dad's Multiverse! Post by: Michel Weisnor on February 05, 2007, 10:35:48 AM Pre-Crisis was easier to understand and actually made sense for the most part. It seems as if DC is doing nothing but "huge" events these days. For good reason, DC's title sales drop every month. At Marvel, Civil War and all tie-ins boosted monthly sales or kept the status quo. http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/01/02/dc-comics-month-to-month-sales-november-2006/ http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2006/12/27/marvel-month-to-month-sales-november-2006-2/#more-1399 To make matters worse, OYL appears a failure. http://www.newsarama.com/Tilting2_0/Tilting153.html Title: Re: This is not your Dad's Multiverse! Post by: nightwing on February 05, 2007, 12:39:42 PM Thanks for that last link. Very interesting reading, especially this paragraph:
Quote What’s interesting to me is that the most successful “OYL” launches from DC, at Comix Experience, have been post-OYL (as a branding exercise), and have been (seemingly) creatively-driven, rather than editorially-driven. We’re doing great with JLA & JSA, with Superman & Action, with Batman & Detective, and with (to a lesser extent because of lateness) Wonder Woman. These are all pretty much cases where the idea was to put a strong “dream team” of creators on a property, rather than having an external event driving things. That’s the only model that works to any significant degree over a long haul. Wow, so it turns out what readers want is not major events or continuity-shaping, "everything changes" pyrotechnics. What they want is quality stories written by good writers and drawn by good artists. Who knew? ::) And as also pointed out, 3 solid years of major crossover events (with more on the way) actually drives readers away rather than attracting new ones. Another amazing find. Who wants to bet a year from now DC will be further in the hole and we'll be pointing out the same sorry mistakes again? Title: Re: This is not your Dad's Multiverse! Infinitely!!! Post by: Michel Weisnor on February 05, 2007, 04:17:13 PM Thanks for that last link. Very interesting reading, especially this paragraph: Quote What’s interesting to me is that the most successful “OYL” launches from DC, at Comix Experience, have been post-OYL (as a branding exercise), and have been (seemingly) creatively-driven, rather than editorially-driven. We’re doing great with JLA & JSA, with Superman & Action, with Batman & Detective, and with (to a lesser extent because of lateness) Wonder Woman. These are all pretty much cases where the idea was to put a strong “dream team” of creators on a property, rather than having an external event driving things. That’s the only model that works to any significant degree over a long haul. Wow, so it turns out what readers want is not major events or continuity-shaping, "everything changes" pyrotechnics. What they want is quality stories written by good writers and drawn by good artists. Who knew? ::) And as also pointed out, 3 solid years of major crossover events (with more on the way) actually drives readers away rather than attracting new ones. Another amazing find. Who wants to bet a year from now DC will be further in the hole and we'll be pointing out the same sorry mistakes again? Well, isn't that a funny quote from newsarama. ;) I agree a creator driven series works wonders for DC. However, DC's looking at Marvel's sale numbers with envious eyes.... Hints of DC's Infinite Crossover This contains spoilers of Ion # 10 with more questions than answers. http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=100325 Title: Re: This is not your Dad's Multiverse! Post by: crispy snax on February 05, 2007, 04:25:24 PM so i guess dc is just grabbing at straws, trying to make up for the lack of cash, do be fair the whole infinte crisis dragged me in a couple of times.... to the extent of "buying books i dont actually want" like Zero hour..
so this tactic kind of works in a frustrating way Title: Re: This is not your Dad's Multiverse! Post by: ShinDangaioh on February 08, 2007, 10:04:52 PM so i guess dc is just grabbing at straws, trying to make up for the lack of cash, do be fair the whole infinte crisis dragged me in a couple of times.... to the extent of "buying books i dont actually want" like Zero hour.. After Infinite Crisis, I left.so this tactic kind of works in a frustrating way I left Marvel long ago. Showcase I'll buy, since I can get complete stories I'm stuck with the Indy comics. Udon's Street Fighter series is fun. I did like the Street Fighter Legends with Sakura Kasugano. Monday sees the end of the webcomic Miracle of Science which was a fun romp with Benjam Prester of the Vorstellan Police and Caprice from the gestalt intellect of Mars. But, all in all, DC and Marvel comics are way to expensive anymore. |