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Title: Even more varieties of Kryptonite
Post by: Great Rao on July 01, 2007, 11:04:18 PM
I just stumbled across this two-part list of some of the more amusing varieties of Kryptonite:

http://sayitbackwards.blogspot.com/2007/06/k-metal-from-krypton-part-1.html
http://sayitbackwards.blogspot.com/2007/06/k-metal-from-krypton-part-2.html

The author promises that part 3 should be up in a couple of days.


Title: Re: Even more varieties of Kryptonite
Post by: jimmy-neutron on September 13, 2007, 07:25:08 AM
There was a story with Jimmy Olsen and silver kryptonite. Any idea what that did?


>The author promises that part 3 should be up in a couple of days.
Did the author say which couple of days that would be?


Title: Re: Even more varieties of Kryptonite
Post by: jamespup on September 13, 2007, 06:28:17 PM
Silver Kryptonite , as stated in the attached Wikipedia link, was a hoax created for Superman's 25th anniversary, as well as appearing in Smallville differently:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kryptonite

I had to laugh when I saw the Slow Kryptonite entry in the other link...years back, my father was on slow release potassium, and the naem of it was Slow-K, and I asked him if it was Kryptonite, and he said, yeah right


Title: Re: Even more varieties of Kryptonite
Post by: Super Monkey on September 13, 2007, 07:16:31 PM
much better entry can be found below :)

http://superman.nu/wiki/index.php/Silver_Kryptonite


Title: Re: Even more varieties of Kryptonite
Post by: jamespup on September 13, 2007, 07:46:34 PM
Oh yes, much better

I have that issue, think I'll read it tonight !


Title: Re: Even more varieties of Kryptonite
Post by: MatterEaterLad on September 13, 2007, 08:19:27 PM
Your one stop pre-Crisis Kryptonite shop with documentation:

http://superman.nu/wiki/index.php/Kryptonite


Title: Re: Even more varieties of Kryptonite
Post by: TELLE on September 14, 2007, 05:01:40 PM
A slow release Kryptonite drug would be a great Lex Luthor invention...



Title: Re: Even more varieties of Kryptonite
Post by: carmine on September 16, 2007, 06:54:13 AM
Black Kryptonite makes so much sense, I am surprised they haven't come up with it earlier.


Title: Re: Even more varieties of Kryptonite
Post by: jimmy-neutron on September 19, 2007, 08:31:03 AM
According to Wilikpedia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kryptonite_in_Smallville

It seems the TV series has both black and silver kryptonite, with properites differing from supermanica


Title: Re: Even more varieties of Kryptonite
Post by: thomas on September 19, 2007, 12:23:40 PM
There was a story with Jimmy Olsen and silver kryptonite. Any idea what that did?


>The author promises that part 3 should be up in a couple of days.
Did the author say which couple of days that would be?
Yeah, that guy stinks!

Part 3 is half written. I'll finish it tonight, I've been meaning to for a long time and just forgot about. It's only about 1 particular piece, it's not really like the first two parts. But yeah.

Thanks for the link, by the way, GR.


Title: Re: Even more varieties of Kryptonite
Post by: Great Rao on September 20, 2007, 04:21:51 PM

Part 3 is half written. I'll finish it tonight, I've been meaning to for a long time and just forgot about. It's only about 1 particular piece, it's not really like the first two parts. But yeah.

Thanks for the link, by the way, GR.

Hey, you're welcome.  I thought the articles were great and I look forward to part 3!


Title: Re: Even more varieties of Kryptonite
Post by: JulianPerez on September 25, 2007, 04:30:22 AM
I see there are several "atypical" types of Kryptonite that go, as yet unmentioned:

One of these is the "brain drain" variety of Kryptonite that Major Disaster invented, which steals only Superman's mental/intelligence abilities (and presumably other powers that operate based on his mind, like Super-Hypnotism and Super-Aim). Its first and only appearance was in ACTION #509.

There is also Anti-Kryptonite, which killed Kryptonians that don't have powers (and was responsible for the death of the Argo City survivors). Lots of people have speculated that Anti-Kryptonite and Slow Kryptonite may be the same substance.

Alternate universe Kryptonite types:

Earth-3 Kryptonite gives Earth-3 Superman additional powers. Where it comes from is a mystery because...on Earth-3, Krypton didn't explode.

In the Morrison Earth-2 story, Antikryptonite gives Ultraman his powers. We learn also in Busiek's "Syndicate Rules" that Ultraman wisely keeps microcapsules of the stuff, time-released, under his skin.

Quote from: carmine
Black Kryptonite makes so much sense, I am surprised they haven't come up with it earlier

To be fair, the idea of splitting Supergirl into good and evil halves is a very old idea: there was a Silver Age Legion story where Red Kryptonite split Supergirl in two: Supergirl and Satan Girl. Satan Girl fought to survive far longer than the 24 hour period a Red Kryptonite effect could exist.

This brings up a point: as interesting as some of these Kryptonite types are, they're not entirely necessary because of Red Kryptonite, which is a "catch-all" for any kind of transformation and effect (since literally, the stuff can do just about anything to Kryptonians).

Quote from: thomas
This one's here because my friend Jesus thinks it's hilarious.

The Son of Man?  :o

Quote from: thomas
Bonus effect, it makes Superman a belligerent drunk who menaces children.

If there's one faction in our society that isn't beaten enough, it's children.

Quote from: thomas
But there is an immediate effect, as evidenced by Superman stealing and wearing Lois' hat. And then a feathered turbin. And then the hat of a Guard of Buckingham Palace. And Napoleaon's hat. And a crown. It doesn't take long for folks to start thinking Supes has gone a little eccentric. And by "eccentric" I mean "out of his rabbit ass mind."

He's still saving the day and what not, but he's doing so by acting in character of whatever hat he's wearing.

What a fascinating and riveting plot. Superman wears strange hats. WHY?

I hate Mort Weisenger. Hate, hate, hate.

Anyway, I'm reading this guy's blog, and some of this is pretty cool. C'mon, the guy dislikes Chuck Austen. +1!

...Wait! Of all of Chuck Austen's many, many flaws, he points out that Chuck "dislikes women." Like every boring blog in history. -1.

Oh, and this is a -2:

http://sayitbackwards.blogspot.com/2007/09/i-bet-otto-binder-was-green-acres-fan.html (http://sayitbackwards.blogspot.com/2007/09/i-bet-otto-binder-was-green-acres-fan.html)

God knows I'm hardly a prudish or uptight person at all, but this sort of thing bothers me. "Look, those people are rural and economically disadvantaged! Let's laugh at them!"

Also, the accent? There's a reason most contemporary writers don't "write out" accents. Because if you write "wuz" instead of "was," it shows you look down on the character. There's no reason to write out an accent. If you have an ear for dialogue, their speech can suggest their origins in other ways.

I was just reading Thomas's 100 greatest things about Superman, and it reads like a hall of horrors.

He actually had the SUPERMOBILE on the top 100 things he loves about Superman. -5,000,000!

Even Cary Bates, who wrote the story, hated the Supermobile. Marty Pasko regularly proposed ideas to destroy it.

Marty Pasko was asked about the Supermobile, and his exact words to describe the company that forced him to cram it in? "Those loathesome parasites."

I could tell you the rest, but that about says it all.

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Beppo the Super Monkey.

I can understand Krypto being on this list. He's had great moments. And maybe even Comet, because of his tragic love affair.

But Beppo?

Of all the Super-Pets, he was the absolute worst. He added no relationship, and was officially the moment they went too far.

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When he punches giant robots.

If I could go in depth here on why Thomas is wrong...

Superman doesn't "punch" things. That's not his M.O.

How would he beat a giant robot? He'd use his x-ray vision to melt wires, or use superspeed to turn a flagpole in a supermagnet.

Superman's a supergenius that makes inventive uses of his powers. A story where Superman throws a punch is a massive failure of the imagination on the part of the writer.

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Stories by Otto Binder
Grant Morrison writing him.

KILL! KILL! KILL!

As the portion of my brain inherited from my reptile ancestors just activated, I can conjure no rational thought at this point save the urge to kill.

Except one: Edmond Hamilton, the Planet-Smasher, had more talent in a toenail clipping than that embarassing fool Binder had in his entire body.

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Stories by Elliot S! Maggin.
Brainiac's Skull Ship.
The DC Super Heroes action figure line by Mattel.
Superman as a super-genius.
The 70s Superman revamp.
The Superman/Darksied fight in the JLU finale.
The Clark/Lois marriage.
Curt Swan, my Superman artist
Superman and the Mole Men

Hey, wait a minute...all those things are actually GOOD! How'd they get on a list by this no-taste goober?


Title: Re: Even more varieties of Kryptonite
Post by: jimmy-neutron on September 25, 2007, 10:36:06 AM
>This brings up a point: as interesting as some of these Kryptonite types are, >they're not entirely necessary because of Red Kryptonite, which is a "catch->all" for any kind of transformation and effect (since literally, the stuff can do

Yes, but the effects of Red-K are unpredictable from one exposure to the next


Title: Re: Even more varieties of Kryptonite
Post by: thomas on September 25, 2007, 11:23:39 AM
I was just reading Thomas's 100 greatest things about Superman, and it reads like a hall of horrors.

I never wrote a '100 greatest' list. I wrote a '100 random things I like' list.

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When he punches giant robots.

If I could go in depth here on why Thomas is wrong...
I'm mistaken about this having ever happened or I'm mistaken about the fact I enjoy it? I stated an opinion. It's not one you share. That's fine. I didn't say it just to insult you and your sensibilities, sir.

Quote from: thomas
This one's here because my friend Jesus thinks it's hilarious.

The Son of Man?  :o

Hey-suess. It's a very common name in the southwestern US. It's wrong to laugh at stereotypical hillbillies, but hey, let's make a joke about the culture of Hispanics and the religion of others.

I can conjure no rational thought at this point save the urge to kill.

You want to murder me for liking things you don't?

Hey, wait a minute...all those things are actually GOOD! How'd they get on a list by this no-taste goober?

Is insulting other users whose tastes differ from your own and declaring your own opinions as fact regular practice here?


Title: Re: Even more varieties of Kryptonite
Post by: MatterEaterLad on September 25, 2007, 11:41:03 AM
Give it a few months...Julian's super powers have a temporary effect, he will undoubtedly contradict himself with equal vitriol... ;D


Title: Re: Even more varieties of Kryptonite
Post by: Super Monkey on September 25, 2007, 01:08:34 PM
Hey, wait a minute...all those things are actually GOOD! How'd they get on a list by this no-taste goober?

Is insulting other users whose tastes differ from your own and declaring your own opinions as fact regular practice here?

For him... yes.



Title: Re: Even more varieties of Kryptonite
Post by: thomas on September 25, 2007, 01:21:14 PM
Classy.


Title: Re: Even more varieties of Kryptonite
Post by: Super Monkey on September 25, 2007, 01:57:56 PM
Classy.

Not much I can do about it. I don't have the power to ban anyone.

Anyway, there was a reason why he had negative 800 billion karma points at one time ;)

That said, I think the hands off appoarch doesn't seem to work with trolls, so...



Title: Re: Even more varieties of Kryptonite
Post by: AMAZO on September 25, 2007, 02:47:06 PM
You've been Julianed thomas!


Title: Re: Even more varieties of Kryptonite
Post by: MatterEaterLad on September 25, 2007, 03:07:47 PM
Strong opinions are fine with me...I just can't seem to work up a hatred of writers or artists of comic books...I mean they are, well, comic books...


Title: Re: Even more varieties of Kryptonite
Post by: AMAZO on September 25, 2007, 04:20:43 PM
Hyperbole and histrionics are a problem in fan communities in general, whether comic book or otherwise. Everything is either "the greatest story/episode ever!" or "anyone who likes this deserves to be shot in the face!" Creators are all either geniuses or hacks. The problem is this totally misses the middle ground of creators who are pretty mediocre overall but manage to put out a few good stories (*cough*Jim Shooter*cough), to really talented writers who have also laid a few eggs in their time. Of course there is also difference of opinion--for example, I personally think Frank Miller is the most overrated creator ever. I believe he just trots out the same grin-n-gritty schtick over and over again; schtick which was fresh back when he first served it in the 1980s in Daredevil and Dark Knight, but which has become so copied that it has almost become a parody of itself. However, I respect someone's right to believe that Miller is a genius (even though they are wrong  ;) ).


Title: Re: Even more varieties of Kryptonite
Post by: davidelliott on September 25, 2007, 06:51:20 PM
Whoa... I can't believe Julain worote a post with no references whatsoever to DC's Marvelous Competition!


Title: Re: Even more varieties of Kryptonite
Post by: carmine on September 25, 2007, 09:23:31 PM
jeez julian take it down a notch, yeesh.


Title: Re: Even more varieties of Kryptonite
Post by: ironman2978 on October 20, 2007, 07:39:53 PM
I think Braniac 5 says that there was 45 types of kryptonite in the Legion of Superheroes animated series and it was proven in many tv shows, movies and comic books.


Title: Re: Even more varieties of Kryptonite
Post by: Great Rao on October 20, 2007, 07:45:01 PM
I think Braniac 5 says that there was 45 types of kryptonite in the Legion of Superheroes animated series and it was proven in many tv shows, movies and comic books.

That's more varieties than I've ever seen listed anywhere, even Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kryptonite) and Say it Backwards (http://sayitbackwards.blogspot.com/2007/06/k-metal-from-krypton-part-1.html).