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This is really late, but what the heck.

The price was finally right for the collected hardback edition of "Infinite Crisis" (free on loan from my local library), so last week I checked it out and read it.

Suffice to say it's a train wreck of a story, often near-impossible to follow thanks to the constant jumping from one location and group of protagonists to the next, dialog comprised almost entirely of non-sequiturs and the complete absence of any explanations as to who's who and how we got here. 

Without all the tie-ins, prequels and concurrent minis to flesh it out, this story does not stand on its own.  We see what looks like a hovering asteroid explode over Gotham.  Turns out it's the Rock of Eternity, and Captain Marvel lands on someone's windshield mumbling, "He did it...he killed the wizard."  As a long-time reader I know what a Rock of Eternity is, and who "the wizard" is, and even which "he" killed him, but if I were a new reader I wouldn't know any of that.  Thanks to following internet reports, I also know there was a mini-series that showed the murder and explained why the Rock blew up, but none of that is related in these pages.  This is just one of many, many such moments in the book.  Ted Kord has been killed, we hear.  Who is Ted Kord and why should we care?  You'll never know from reading this book.  One of the characters is called "Superboy-Prime."  Why "Prime", and how is he different from other Superboys?  No clues offered.  Who is this "Corrigan" who shot the black cop?  We never see him.  What's the black cop's name?  I don't remember if it's even mentioned.  Why is the Spectre stuffed into his recently autopsied chest cavity?  Never explained.  And so on.  Of course I know the answers, but the point is this book, like most comics today, is not at all friendly to new readers.  If you haven't been reading for years, and if you don't buy everything else DC puts out, you'll never know what's going on.  (And even then, I wonder...)

The art is execrable, generally, with E-2 Superman looking more diseased than old.  He and old Lois change so dramatically from one panel to the next that the only way I recognize them is by the clothes they wear.  Also it's never made clear why they think recreating Earth-2 will "cure" Lois.  Does Kal-L really believe the mere existence of a "perverted" Earth is killing her (when they don't even LIVE there)?  How does the Earth-1 Superman "hear" Kal-L's cries from Earth-2 and how does he manage to get there?

Anyway, the good part (?) is that between the constant shifts of scene, the nonsensical dialog and the disorienting art, I was much less disturbed by the violence than I expected.  Maybe it's because I'd already seen it before on various websites and had my negative reactions back then, so now I'm over it.  But really I think it's because when you don't give a hoot what happens and none of it makes sense anyway, a few dismemberments, decaptitations and impalings don't affect you much.  People are crippled, people are killed, at least two important characters die, but so what?  This book is utterly devoid of emotional impact of any kind.  (Also it's funny to see some things I never heard about, like Star Sapphire being killed by the Spectre, when I know she was alive again in the pages of Green Lantern almost immediately)

In the interest of fairness I should report that a few pages were ripped out of this book, apparently the Jim Lee "covers" between chapters.  Maybe those pages would have made for a better reading experience and made the whole book "come together".  But I think it's telling that it took me until around "issue 5" before I realized I was missing something, even though the stolen pages went as far back as page 38.  The way this thing was written, even when pages weren't missing, it felt like they were.

Bottom line, this book is a mess, useless without several hundred pages of other books to explain what's going on and who people are.  It's on nice paper, but it's hard to imagine readers 10 years, or even 2 years from now, still buying this book, whereas the stories in the Showcase Presents volumes will probably be getting re-printed in various forms for decades to come.

And finally, for anyone like me who's interested in what's going on in comics in spite of himself, I say support your local library. 

Didn't they make changes to the hardcover dialogue to make it more consistent with the story they were telling?  I assumed that was to make it more comprehensible.  Oh well...


Ahh, yes, found the site that explains it all:

http://jigsawmen.googlepages.com/home

Well it's always possible this version is more comprehensible than the original.  :D

What they really needed was a few pages of exposition to help non-DC fanatics understand the bigger picture.

In the end notes, between patting each other on the back for doing such a great job  ::) the creative team reveals that for a scene near the end, where Batman holds a gun to young Luthor's head  ::) ::) ::) ::), they removed a "Chak!" sound effect because many readers thought it signified Bats actually shooting Alexander.  After I read that remark, I could see a few more places in the book where things were probably drawn one way, then changed with new dialog balloons at the last moment, or for this printing.  For instance, the scene where Nightwing is lying on the ground after being zapped by Alex was probably his death scene before someone somewhere had a change of heart.  Now it just says (more than once), "Oh, he'll be fine."  Which kind of doesn't add up considering how often we're brought back to the image.  There's Nightwing on the ground again, folks.  Remember, he's going to be fine. 

Anyway, if nothing else, the original Crisis proved you can tell a story with dozens or even hundreds of characters and multiple Earths, and make it, if not exactly logical then at least capable of being followed.  Apparently that task was beyond this new crowd.

I thought the original Crisis was silly enough without a sequel twenty years later, frankly. With all due respect to continuity¹, the only purpose of these Crises is a) to sell comics and b) to rectify a narrative that has become overly complicated or just plain dumb.

There's not much I can say or do about a), but there comes a time in all serial storytelling where you think "Oh heck, now I've got myself saddled with all that backstory", and what you do then is be a man about it and say "Hey, look, forget it, here's how it really happened" and you don't need to bog yourself down with Alex Luthor and the Controller and all that. In other words, when you think your prose has gone purple enough, you don't need more purple prose to rectify it. You're never going to get a good story out of the bit where you say "Hey, forget it", and unless you're a comics publisher who's in it for the money, you shouldn't even try.

Thanks for trying to make sense out of it, Nightwing, but why even bother? I'm pleased to hear that you got your copy out of the library - at least it didn't cost you anything. Personally, I'm far interested in your new avatar, which is way cool or whatever the kids are saying these days.

¹Oh, relax, Julian.

It was actually worst, as Johns kept calling Iron Age Earth, Earth-1! They removed that and other painfully obvious mistakes that "Mr. Sliver Age" and "the greatest writer of our time" made when writing this steaming pile of poop.

Poop! Thats a funny and apt term.

Ah I remember the age of DC when Plop! was more appropriate than "poop".  ;)

I think the new word is "groovy."  Who can keep up?

Anyway, thanks.  I captured a few seconds from "Peril By Sea" and looked all over for a software to turn it into an animated gif.  Turns out I already had it -- Adobe Image Ready. 

Actually, I made another first, but decided it was a little annoying after a couple of minutes.  But I may go back to it at some point.  Here it is:

(http://nightwing.supermanfan.net/images/superman_signs.gif)

My biggest criticism, DC allowed the heroes of CoIE to be the big bad villains of Infinite Crisis. Remember all the good they performed? Sorry, E-2 Superman's an emotional wreck, Alex Luthor's suddenly Lex Luthor, and Superboy "Punchy" Prime is insane. I guess it's easier to write today's heroes as heroes, if the heroes of yesterday are complete nutcases. Plus, what was the point of E-2 Wonder Woman's appearance? She shows up for a few panels and disappears?! The fact of the matter is, I was expecting E-2 Superman and the others to make a difference and show the current heroes a better way, instead of the Machiavellian tatics the current heroes were and still are using.

Perhaps, Grant Morrison will rectify this mess with his take. 

AAAHAHAHA! I feel just like the chap who's obviously going "What?"

Permanus writes:


That would be Jimmy Olsen.  "What?" is probably the motto on his family crest.  :)



Michel Weisnor writes:


Indeed, it's pretty stupid: "You heroes of the DCU are unworthy because you have no manners, no class, no moral center and you just add to the chaos of your world, rather than fixing it.  Therefore we are going to restore order and niceness by beating you to bloody pulps and destroying your world in favor of ours."  Huh?

There is a very odd vibe around this book, to say the least.  The writers bring up all the objections we old-timers have made for years; that modern heroes are not heroes at all, that Batman is a jerk, Superman a wuss and Wonder Woman a murderer, etc, introducing the hope, early on, that something's going to be done about all those deficiences.  But of course it isn't.  So what's the point of bringing it up?  Self-loathing on the part of modern creators who know they're doing a substandard job, yet in the end can't do anything else?  Or is it a poke in the eye to us complainers, a way of saying, "Yes, the modern DCU is a sucky place to be, and that's how we like it.  By arguing for us to reboot again, you are every bit as fascist and 'violent' as the villains in IC and everyone else in our books."

Which were they going for? Because what I got out of it was...well, confusion.  Everyone from the "villainous" E-2 Superman to the "official" Batman and Superman admit the modern DCU is a disaster (with Superman in particular realizing he's a major failure where it really counts) and yet ultimately we're just given more of the same...times ten!

The answer, I guess, is that "we know the DCU is broken, and we're going to fix it.  But first, seven more issues of crap."  So ultimately, not only do you need to read a dozen other mini-series to understand this book, you need to read a couple more mini-series (still in progress at this date) to understand what, if anything, the events of IC mean to the DCU.

So again, this book is worthless in and of itself.

I totally agree especially in regards to Didio's Trinity. Then, due to 52, Didio's Trinity go on separate "vacations" abandoning New Earth to B-list and some D-list heroes. Superman, Batman, and Wonder Woman we really need you. Black Adams murdering millions of people. Where are you? Oh well, Earth is plunging into WW3 (again). You guys enjoy your time off. Preposterous!     


A little off topic...

Makes you wonder what DC will do with the 52 reinterpretation of Earth-1. I am a little worried, Countdown's trigger happy Monitor is really New Earth-1's guardian. Imagine what New Earth-1's heroes might be like, if this is true?! :-[

If it's any consolation, the post-crisis crowd isn't too thrilled with the outcome of this series either. Largely because of the continuity changes it brought about in Superman and others. What DC is doing now just seems to be a watered down version of everything that came before. Go to the DC message boards and you'll find people of all stripes not happy with the confusion. 

 

I love to read other boards to get different opinions. Isn't it funny, how only a very few really enjoyed Infinite Crisis? That should tell you something about this miniseries.

One Year Later  ;), from now, we'll all understand better where DC wants to go with mainstream continuity. I expect Morrison's Final Crisis to end the 7 year crossover and get on with creative driven monthlies. Of course, I've been wrong before....

If that's true, we'll be one up on everyone at DC.

well, Julian loved it at least :P

Only because most people hated it?   ;D

Sadly, I think we've lost Julian...

Can't say as I blame him.  I'm only glad he stuck it out as long as he did.

I liked that he had a different point of view, no matter how much I sometimes got a little bummed on his way of expressing it.

Forums where everyone agrees can get a little boring... 8)

As I recall, he sometimes disappears for quite long periods, presumably to fight crime elsewhere, so I'm sure he'll be back.

he always leaves for a while then comes back then leaves again.