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Superman Comic Books! => Infinite Crossover! => Topic started by: TELLE on May 16, 2007, 05:08:36 AM



Title: Dr 13
Post by: TELLE on May 16, 2007, 05:08:36 AM
is anyone following this series/character?  some interesting superman-family/megaverse refs but I'm lost --maybe a little too "meta" for me...

http://community.livejournal.com/scans_daily/3505156.html#cutid1



Title: Re: Dr 13
Post by: Permanus on May 16, 2007, 06:30:58 AM
Why do they keep handing pills to the little baby?


Title: Re: Dr 13
Post by: jamespup on May 16, 2007, 07:04:09 AM
They're not pills, they're dimes.

He'll answer any question for 10 cents


Title: Re: Dr 13
Post by: jamespup on May 16, 2007, 07:05:13 AM
Yeah, I've followed it from the beginning, it all makes perfect sense to me, but then again, I'm insane


Title: Re: Dr 13
Post by: TELLE on May 17, 2007, 02:16:00 AM
Well maybe I'll actually check it out from the beginning, then.

It isn't too ugly.


Title: Re: Dr 13
Post by: Permanus on May 17, 2007, 02:56:27 AM
They're not pills, they're dimes.

He'll answer any question for 10 cents

Ah, okay. Well, that makes perfect sense, then. ;)


Title: Re: Dr 13
Post by: Michel Weisnor on May 17, 2007, 11:35:37 AM
Dr 13's adventures mostly take a dig at Geoff Johns, Grant Morrison, Mark Waid, and Greg Rucka.  I read Azzarello’s TotU backup and found his story preachy but Chiang's pencils clean and neat. The whole 4th wall thing's been overdone to death. Also, if I hear the phrase "move forward" one more time... :P   


Title: Re: Dr 13
Post by: TELLE on May 17, 2007, 05:18:26 PM
So I looked him up and Azzarello is a crime writer (100 Bullets) with a quirky bent who's done turns on Batman and a weird run on Hellblazer.   



Title: Re: Dr 13
Post by: jamespup on May 17, 2007, 10:41:15 PM
The "baby", as you say, is Genius Jones

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genius_Jones

From the article:

Finally given a dime from everyone involved in the messed-up skirmish, he reveals to be aware of the fourth wall, cryptically talking about the commercial wars between Marvel Comics and DC Comics, and how both editors, the Architects had to reboot or modify their respective fictional worlds to increase sales. He then sent Thirteen reasoning with the Architects about the role of the returned characters in the Post-Infinite Crisis world.


Title: Re: Dr 13
Post by: TELLE on May 18, 2007, 06:20:10 AM
That is a poorly written article! Too much of the comics articles on Wiki --especially articles based on current comics-- have way too much meandering plot summary.  It reminds me of people I knew in junior high who would recount comic book and movie plots in realtime, using a "and then x happened and then y happened and then a said to b" formula.


Title: Re: Dr 13
Post by: Michel Weisnor on May 18, 2007, 11:16:00 AM
So I looked him up and Azzarello is a crime writer (100 Bullets) with a quirky bent who's done turns on Batman and a weird run on Hellblazer.   




Azzarello wrote Superman For Tomorrow with pencils by Jim Lee and Lex Luthor Man of Steel. Not the best Superman stories I've read but certainly not the worst. 


Title: Re: Dr 13
Post by: TELLE on May 18, 2007, 07:25:11 PM
He gets around!



Title: Re: Dr 13
Post by: jamespup on May 18, 2007, 07:54:13 PM
Telle, if you feel that way, you should rewrite them...Wikipedia lets you do that, you know.

I agree that it's not well written, but at least someone took the time to write something and I am appreciative of that


Title: Re: Dr 13
Post by: DoctorZero on May 19, 2007, 07:54:40 AM
The Doctor 13 mini-series in the back of Tales of the Unexpected is making direct reference to the fact that certain characters in the DC Universe are routinely written out of continuity due to the writer's whims.  Not exactly what I expected a Doctor 13 mini to be about, but it was fairly entertaining.


Title: Re: Dr 13
Post by: TELLE on May 20, 2007, 12:08:29 AM
Telle, if you feel that way, you should rewrite them...Wikipedia lets you do that, you know.

I agree that it's not well written, but at least someone took the time to write something and I am appreciative of that

Don't get me wrong --I appreciate that the article is there as well,  That is the value of Wiki: at least there is some info online about everything I need to know.  I've written and re-written many articles on Wikipedia myself, but I usually like to know something about the subject before I do.  The article needs a general editorial cleanup and lots of cutting, but without having the actual stories in fron of me, I can't really say what needs to be left in and what needs to be cut (ie, what is essential for an understanding of plot and character, and what isn't).  The comics team on Wiki has lots of specialists for both --I'm sure someone will get around to it.

One of the funniest things about Wikipedia, and one that is often remarked on, is that there are almost as many minor comics-related articles as there are articles about say, American historical figures or characters from American fiction.  I remember reading the biography of Quicksilver (yes, I'm a nerd) and it was longer than the entry for Pierre Trudeau, Prime Minister of Canada for 2 decades and one of the most important figures in Canadian history. (Trudeau's appearance in Alpha Flight was not mentioned in his bio).











Title: Re: Dr 13
Post by: Permanus on May 20, 2007, 03:45:21 AM
It says something that Pamela Anderson's entry is longer by far than that of Emmeline Pankhurst.


Title: Re: Dr 13
Post by: TELLE on May 21, 2007, 12:53:44 AM
Who?


Title: Re: Dr 13
Post by: jamespup on May 21, 2007, 08:14:17 PM
She was the mother in the Mary Poppins movie


Title: Re: Dr 13
Post by: jamespup on May 22, 2007, 07:49:36 PM
Anyway, the girl at the counter wouldn't accept the Susan B Anthony dollar coin because she had never seen one before.  Which I guess is consistent since I doubt that the countergirl had any interest in voting, so there ya go