Superman Through the Ages! Forum

So in the years since Supergirl #80, Has there been a single appearance of Linda Danvers since?  I know that everyone was wondering if Fallen Angel was really Danvers... but we'll never know now.

Any appearances that anyone has seen?

I know she isn't Kara, but that was such a great book.. and I think somehow, someway, Linda should get some place in the new Supergirl Series thats starting starring Kara... perhaps as a mentor like PAD had planned in his old series of SG?

Mm, Linda could've been Fallen Angel. . .they were teasing at it pretty strongly. As for her showing up in the new Supergirl title, that's really up to Jeph Loeb, who did express a fondness for Many Happy Returns. So keep your fingers crossed and maybe slip a word to the man himself and who knows?  :)

 -Def.

From what I've heard on another forum, Peter David is playing it coy, but admits that yes, if you want Fallen Angel to be Linda Danvers, she is.  I don't much see her being Supergirl in tone, but it's a pretty good read nonetheless.

Yes... I think I have a problem with it though.. While I know Fallen Angel was a good read, and I know that PAD can't say if she is Linda Danvers or not, since he owns the rights to Fallen Angel, and NOT Linda... I feel its a cop out.

    He has essential caused the demise of another character owned by DC that could be further used by tying up her story with the "Lee" Character...because we'll never know if its Linda or not.

Then again... would it really be Linda without Peter David... oh well.  Still I think she should appear in some capacity in the new Supergirl Series...  It was just a rather quick ending for the C that so many had grown to love.  I think people forget that while yes, it wasn't Kara.... she was Supergirl in one capacity or another for 14 years.  That is a very long time.

took the words right out of my mouth! :D

That is an issue that has gotten a lot of discussion at the main supergirl msg board.  

And DarkMark, I heard the exact opposite..that PAD all but denied that Linda was Lee in Fallen Angel.  :lol: Playing both sides?  :lol:

And PAD did not cause her "demise" she simply....left.  As far as I am concerned, unless DC retcons the entire PAD run out of continuity (which could happen in the future with this new Crisis thing, I suppose) Linda is still alive out there, wrestling with her own demons, mourning over a lost husband and daughter.  Kinda tragic, but a good ending nevertheless.

Being a Major Kara fan, I never liked Pad's version of Supergirl UNTIL the many Happy Returns Arc (the whole angel/religious thing turned me completely off - and ending that was NOT PAD's idea...as he insinuates in the forward to the Many Happy Returns TPB).

And I was more than happy to see Linda relinguish the Supergirl title and let it return to a Kryptonian as it should have been.

Having said that, I also advocate that PAD's Run NOT be retconned out, and that Linda, with a new name...completely unconnected to the Super-Family (and it goes with out mentioning without the angel/religious connection)....resurface and eventually take on an advisory role with the new Kara.

Or perhaps as a member of a new team...similar to what PAD had envisioned as "Blonde Justice". (I may not have liked all that he did with Supergirl, but you have to admit, PAD is a talented writer).

Dylan

Linda's got a husband and a daughter..since when!?...plus what does retconn mean i've never heard of the word

here i go again with the double...no wait..triple posting...that's very new..:D..oy gevalt!...*Smashes head on pillow*

Supergrl5013, don't worry -- computer glitches happen.  I'm sure the board moderator can delete your duplicated posts.

"RETCON" is short for "RETroactive CONtinuity", which usually means a new story that fundamentally changes an established character, environment or theme from their historic depiction, with the added note that the new interpretation is how it ALWAYS has been.  

For instance, when Superman was rebotted Post-Crisis in John Byrne's "The Man of Steel", he declared that Superman was the ONLY survivor of Krypton, and was NEVER a Superboy.  This meant there could be no Kryptonians in Kandor, no Kara Zor-El, and no Superboy stories still "in canon" -- these were all RETCONNED from history.  

With one creative decision, all those decades of stories officially NEVER HAPPENED.

But the Legion of Superheroes needed someone to substitute for Superboy, since he was so essential to their history.  So the Pocket Universe Superboy was created (and killed), so all past stories involving the original Silver Age Superboy were RETCONNED to be the Pocket Universe Superboy.  Later Lar Gand (aka "M'onel" or "Valor") was substituted for Superboy, and Laurel Gand ("Andromeda") replaced Supergirl in another RETCON.


As for Linda Danvers -- in "Many Happy Returns", the "original" Kara Zor-El arrived in modern-day Leesburg.  Linda took the confused time-lost Supergirl under her wing until the Spectre appeared and told them it was Kara's fate to go back into the past... and die in a great Crisis.

Kara was horrified at this revelation, so Linda nobly took her place.  But when she arrived on "Earth-1", the timeline began to stray -- and it REALLY went awry a couple years later when Superman revealed that he knew Linda WASN'T his Kryptonian cousin from the beginning, but he had since fallen in love with her!  So when the Crisis rolled into town, Linda was happily married to Superman and had a young daughter Ariella.  But by then Linda's timeline had departed so radically from Kara's intended timeline that the Spectre couldn't substitute Linda for the cover of "Crisis #7" anymore.  So after extracting a promise that Ariella would survive (it's strongly implied that she became R'E'L in "Supergirl One Million"), Linda had to rescue Kara from a villian who was busy killing off all Supergirl incarnations from multiple dimensions.  

And then after saving her life, Linda had to send Kara back to her "home" timeline, knowing full well she had just condemned the young Supergirl to an early death in the Crisis.  She had lost "her" Earth-1, her husband, her daughter (even though she knew Ariella had survived), and sent an innocent "sister" to her death.  That was too much for poor Linda to bear, so she renounced her Supergirl title, wrote Superman a resignation letter, and disappeared for parts unknown.   :cry:

aww...*wipes a tear* that's so beautiful...*cries*...thats for telling me what Retconn means

you can get the story in the book Supergirl: Many Happy Returns (Paperback)
by Peter David

(http://images.amazon.com/images/P/1401200850.01._AA240_SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg)

Plug: which is available at a discount right here (http://superman.nu/supergirl/comics.php).

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Supergrl5013, take a look at this thread:

http://superman.nu/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=13247#13247

By the way, since "Fallen Angel" will be relaunched this December by IDW Peter David will have a new background history for Lee that will NOT involve the DC Universe.  So whether Lee WAS really Linda is now a moot question -- if she was, then Lee's been retconned into somebody else and Linda's been missing for over two years...   :cry:

thank you so much i printed a few pages of  the site...'cause if i printed any more the Library at school might ban me from using the priner and stuff like that...so many thanks to you :D

I met Peter David at a comic-shop signing, back when DC's Fallen Angel #1 had just come out.

He told a few people in the gathering there, that Lee is absolutely Linda Danvers and that the Fallen Angel title is a direct continuation of the events from his last Supergirl storyline.  But he also said that he could never admit any of this in print anywhere or online anywhere and that he would always "officially" deny it.  He will most likely continue to deny it on forums and in emails, but will probably do his absolute best to tell you the most that he can without breaking the rules - which is to admit that it could be "possible."  So you have to read between the lines.

If you liked PAD's run on Fallen Angel and you like his interpretation of the Linda Danvers/Lee character, I would say that she continues on in the new incarnation of that title.  But if you like reading about a "Supergirl," then read the new DC Supergirl title.

If DC ever does refer to the character again (which I really doubt, since in effect she's moved to a new publisher, just that no one can say it), it will in effect be a new character who will have splintered off from the "real" PAD Linda Danvers.  She'll also have a new writer behind her.  The only similarity will be that she'll have Lee's old name.

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Great Rao, considering how soon "Fallen Angel" came out after "Supergirl" was cancelled, I can accept that Peter David really imagined "Lee" as "Linda" when the series began, and that his comments wasn't simply "hype".  Certainly this was a "logical" descent of her character after the traumatic, soul-wrenching conclusion of "Many Happy Returns", and that Peter David had more stories "in the pipeline" when ""Supergirl" was axed.

But there were discrepancies from the beginning (such as the "amputated wing" scars on her back), and as the series progressed the distance between "Lee" and "Linda" grew -- her baby in Issue #18 seemed to make it clear they were NOT the same person, though it's POSSIBLE that could still be explained in context.

Perhaps Peter David was growing more confident that "Fallen Angel" could fly without the "Supergirl" connection, and/or maybe he was already considering taking his creator-owned character to another publisher.  Keeping "Fallen Angel" separate from the DC mainstream universe proved a wise "insurance policy", but now "Lee" must shed any connection to "Linda" in the relaunch.

So one might say that in one Hypertimeline Linda Danvers became the Fallen Angel, but that timeline also branched off into two divergent paths -- one covered in Peter David's new series, and the one where "Lee" still remains within -- but not a part of -- the DC Universe.  And there is the other Hypertimeline that may never be revealed -- DC's official explanation of what happened to Linda Danvers, written by somebody other than Peter David.

Really? so Linda's back? YAY! :D

You could say that, except that she now has a different name and a different set of beliefs and a different attitude.  Sort of a different character with Linda's backstory.  If you haven't already, hunt down the first issue or two of DC's original Fallen Angel title and read them for yourself to decide it was her and if you're interested.

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is there a site online with previews of it?..if so, which ones?

I don't know about "preview", the first issue came out 2 years ago.  Like PAD's final Supergirl story, the first 6 issues of Fallen Angel has also been collected into a TPB (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/140120225X/theamalgamatronA/).

Those who like Peter David's writing will love the book.  Those who don't like his writing, will vehemently dislike it.  This is PAD in his most pure form.

You might want to read "Many Happy Returns" first if you haven't already.

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Supergrl5013, keep in mind that "Fallen Angel' is a considerably "darker" series, where the lines between good and evil / right and wrong aren't very clear.  The entire city of Bete Noire seems more located in Purgatory than Louisiana (there's heavy hints that the "kindly old bartender" was a very significant person in WWII), and there is ample violence and blood.  For these reasons, DC slapped this comic with a "Suggested for Mature Readers" label, which might have hurt solicitations.  (There were reported instances of comic shops refusing to order what they mistakenly believed was an "adult" comic!)  In retrospect, "Fallen Angel" might have fared better as a Vertigo title, but alas that was not to be.  

A preview of the IDW relaunch of "Fallen Angel" can be seen at:
http://www.newsarama.com/IDW/FallenAngel/FallenAngelPre.htm

A related interview is at:
http://www.newsarama.com/forums/showthread.php?s=ff9803383628206fa697d1c52ab90da4&threadid=35477

A review of the original DC series is at:
http://popmatters.com/comics/fallen-angel.shtml

So Peter David reprinted his comic and now its going to be a longer series?

Supergrl5013, the original DC "Fallen Angel" series was #1-20, with the first six issues combined into a trade paperback.  Most likely DC will not republish any more of this "Fallen Angel" series in trade paperback format, but back issues are fairly easy to obtain and relatively cheap -- many comic book stores are already clearing these out of their inventories, so check the "bargain bins".

The IDW relaunch will begin with a new Issue #1.  This second series is set twenty years after the events chronicled in the DC books, but Peter David claims that this would be an excellent starting point for new readers.  So while it's not particularly necessary to read the earlier DC "Fallen Angel", I'm sure it will be useful to become familar with the main characters and the background of Bete Noire.

okey,dokey...thanks for the info

Another two questions
1 what was the last costume that Linda wore AS Supergirl?
and 2. how in the world did she get all of her powers back...take a look at this site...www.braveandthebold.net....i'm a little confused about it  did she actually survive  when she left the rocket of not?

1 what was the last costume that Linda wore AS Supergirl?

The last costume?

Okay.  It looked like Kara's costume during COIE.  There were some differences.  No headband.  The boots were those red military boots that Linda was wearing after losing her powers.  The body of the outfit was white and the miniskirt was blue the sleeves of the outfit were shorter and had blue cuffs.  Linda was also wearing white gloves.

It was a nice design actually

2. how in the world did she get all of her powers back

The Angel Twilight restored her powers to what they were before the Angel of Fire business came about.

Thanks for bringing that url to my attention SG5013.

The pic they are using for Supergirl II is one I had specifically altered to resemble the Crisis Costume by an artist friend for MY Page.

I don't suppose I can say anything...it just irks me that they didn't even ask.

Dylan

that's interesting...does anyone know if they're are some images of Linda's Supergirl costume transformations?...i don't even know if that made any sense :giggles then laughs: :D...another thing...guys n' gals..i might be posting up here once or twice a week...my mom's bugging me on my grades...so i have to please her if i can  also can play my guitar.....so this is probably my last post...if you guys have any Q's just e-mail me...i'l check what you guys say as my questions are being answered...thanks ...alot u guys :D.

which were....?

Her original powers minus the invisibility and shapeshifting.

k. got it.

You've been away a while...welcome back.

thanks..been busy... *always wanted to say this next part*  trying to save the world from diabolical evil;D

I know EXACTLY what you mean, Supergrl5013... I've been busy myself implimenting a diabolical evil plot to conquer the world.  But I'm constantly frustrated by a flying blonde girl in blue and red...

Wait a minute...   ???

THAT WAS YOU?!   :o

 ;)

Nice to see you back again!  The Supergirl forum's been a little quiet without you -- for a while I wondered if you accidentally locked yourself in the Fortress of Solitude and left the key outside.   ;)

LOL...

I managed to find the key inside the cushion of the silk couch....

*now I only have to wonder how it got there.* ;D.