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Title: Is Linda Danvers Still Alive?
Post by: Supergrl5013 on April 06, 2005, 11:45:12 AM
The way that Peter David just killed of Supergirl is quite annoying... Every Supergirl dies from Something.... Can't she NOT have a Power down for once, i mean she made a version of the Superman adventures Costume for Pete's sake! Is Linda Still alive... Y'know the Fallen angel story arc well the main character is Lee .... i'm just wondering if that's her if not Bring MAE/Supergirl/Linda Danvers BACK..... that felt good:)


Title: Re: Is Linda Danvers Still Alive?
Post by: Dylan Clearbrook on April 07, 2005, 04:37:02 AM
Quote from: "Supergrl5013"
The way that Peter David just killed of Supergirl is quite annoying... Every Supergirl dies from Something.... Can't she NOT have a Power down for once, i mean she made a version of the Superman adventures Costume for Pete's sake! Is Linda Still alive... Y'know the Fallen angel story arc well the main character is Lee .... i'm just wondering if that's her if not Bring MAE/Supergirl/Linda Danvers BACK..... that felt good:)


Well, PAD didn't kill off Linda. She just...went away.  Though he never said so specifically, he DID  hint heavily that people should not get hooked on the notion that Lee of Fallen Angel was Linda. (PAD just has a thing for angels, I guess  :lol: ).  I have personally thought that there was never any intent to have Linda be Lee...but by leaving the question unanswered, he could draw his Supergirl fans to the new book.  Hey...it worked....a good marketing move on his part.

As for bringing her back... uh...not for a while.  Let the new Kara get started and then (if Linda is still in continuity) let her show back up (uh....so long as she leaves the Matrix/angel-girl aspects out)...but as we've discussed on other boards, be prepared for differences...written by a new writer, she wouldn't be the same Linda.

As for her returning to be Supergirl...that ain't gonna happen.  At best I would imagine she might make an occasional appearance in the new supergirl as a new hero with a new name.  And I can see her as part of a another team...separate from the Super-family.


That is my imagination  :lol:  

What will probably be the sad reality is that Linida will never be heard from again.

Dylan


Title: Re: Is Linda Danvers Still Alive?
Post by: Supergrl5013 on April 07, 2005, 10:36:46 AM
Nooooo** drones** I was begining to really like her up until Supergirl 50:)


Title: Re: Is Linda Danvers Still Alive?
Post by: Genis Vell on April 12, 2005, 02:03:45 AM
Quote from: "Dylan Clearbrook"

What will probably be the sad reality is that Linida will never be heard from again.


Odd.
Now there is a new Supergirl and nobody in the DC Universe remembers Linda. I hope to see her again, even if it'll be difficult...


Title: Re: Is Linda Danvers Still Alive?
Post by: Psi on April 12, 2005, 09:56:47 AM
I agree one hundred percent.  DC is really starting to grate a bit. I wasn't crazy about the Matrix stuff, but in some way shape or form, that Linda/Matrix/Earth Angel thing was Supergirl for over a decade in the comic books.  No one deserves to be written off like that.

And yes, I would love to see Linda return either in the new Supergirl as a more solid mentor figure, or perhaps in another book, with a different name... although I would expect there to be some resentment about a different name.  I mean, Linda earned the right to be called Supergirl... at this point Kara got it for connections family wise...y'know?  And before anyone yells at me over the one true Supergirl, I mean as far as continuity goes...  As far as that goes, there has never been a Kara Zor-el before.


Title: Re: Is Linda Danvers Still Alive?
Post by: Supergrl5013 on May 23, 2005, 10:47:12 AM
Quote from: "Psi"
I agree one hundred percent.  DC is really starting to grate a bit. I wasn't crazy about the Matrix stuff, but in some way shape or form, that Linda/Matrix/Earth Angel thing was Supergirl for over a decade in the comic books.  No one deserves to be written off like that.

And yes, I would love to see Linda return either in the new Supergirl as a more solid mentor figure, or perhaps in another book, with a different name... although I would expect there to be some resentment about a different name.  I mean, Linda earned the right to be called Supergirl... at this point Kara got it for connections family wise...y'know?  And before anyone yells at me over the one true Supergirl, I mean as far as continuity goes...  As far as that goes, there has never been a Kara Zor-el before.


Agreed... but i think that linda could of been in a What if....? issue like what if she didn't sacrifice her Supergirl self... then what would happen?


Title: Re: Is Linda Danvers Still Alive?
Post by: Supergrl5013 on June 09, 2005, 11:53:17 AM
Quote from: "Supergrl5013"
Quote from: "Psi"
I agree one hundred percent.  DC is really starting to grate a bit. I wasn't crazy about the Matrix stuff, but in some way shape or form, that Linda/Matrix/Earth Angel thing was Supergirl for over a decade in the comic books.  No one deserves to be written off like that.

And yes, I would love to see Linda return either in the new Supergirl as a more solid mentor figure, or perhaps in another book, with a different name... although I would expect there to be some resentment about a different name.  I mean, Linda earned the right to be called Supergirl... at this point Kara got it for connections family wise...y'know?  And before anyone yells at me over the one true Supergirl, I mean as far as continuity goes...  As far as that goes, there has never been a Kara Zor-el before.


Agreed... but i think that linda could of been in a What if....? issue like what if she didn't sacrifice her Supergirl self... then what would happen?
any one have an answer to if Supergirl didn/t sacrfice her soul self...then what would happen and did you notice that when SG gets powered down after issue #50 i think... Linda's grumpy?  especially when she's trying to find the Supergirl half in Mexico. or something.


Title: Re: Is Linda Danvers Still Alive?
Post by: DoctorZero on July 13, 2005, 10:16:33 PM
I was annoyed the way they wrote Linda out.  Just because the series is ending does not mean the character has to be gone completely.
With Kara I doubt Linda will be seen for a long, long time.


Title: Re: Is Linda Danvers Still Alive?
Post by: Psi on August 26, 2005, 01:06:24 AM
Now, I can't get this pinpointed down.  But from what I hear, Linda Danvers may be returning to the DCU after events in Infinite Crisis.  As far as I know she'll be appearing in Supergirl.

Of course she won't be Supergirl, but she'll be in that book with Kara.

What I've heard.. I'll let you know when I have proof.


Title: Re: Is Linda Danvers Still Alive?
Post by: Uncle Mxy on August 26, 2005, 08:06:18 PM
PAD was in a bit of a rush, but I like how he ended things.  Linda can be gone for as short or as long as needed, with a post-cancellation backstory that can range from the mundane to the cosmic.


Title: Re: Is Linda Danvers Still Alive?
Post by: DoctorZero on August 27, 2005, 07:39:31 PM
Any bets that Linda ends up getting killed and Kara ends up assuming her identity?


Title: Re: Is Linda Danvers Still Alive?
Post by: Supergrl5013 on September 08, 2005, 04:38:54 PM
Quote from: "Psi"
Now, I can't get this pinpointed down.  But from what I hear, Linda Danvers may be returning to the DCU after events in Infinite Crisis.  As far as I know she'll be appearing in Supergirl.

Of course she won't be Supergirl, but she'll be in that book with Kara.

What I've heard.. I'll let you know when I have proof.
which comic book is it...do you mean the most recent one with the Superman/Batman series or the Adventures of Superman series?, or another one...i saw part of something like that i think it was issue #77 in  the Supergirl series...I REALLY WANT HER TO COME BACK...WHO'S WITH ME?


Title: Re: Is Linda Danvers Still Alive?
Post by: Supergrl5013 on September 11, 2005, 05:36:57 AM
Quote from: "DoctorZero"
Any bets that Linda ends up getting killed and Kara ends up assuming her identity?


maybe...i'll think about it


Title: Re: Is Linda Danvers Still Alive?
Post by: Psi on September 22, 2005, 02:40:00 AM
oooh, that would really irk me.  But at the same time... I can kinda see that happening to an extent.  It would give Kara back her civilian identity and name.  And she could be adopted by Fred and Sylvia (It was Sylvia right?  Edna was the Precrisis name I think).

Of course there would be some differences.  Kara would have an adopted brother named Wally this go round.

But NOOOOO... I want to see Linda and Kara getting a friendship together, with Linda dealing with issues she has, and Kara gaining a mentor that did earn the right to the name Supergirl.

I mean Wonder Girl should be living on Paradise Island, not SUPERGirl.  Bah.  

Still, if the only way to see Linda again ever was in at least a good story that led up to her death... that I'd deal with it.. just a chance to read about the character one more time.


Title: Re: Is Linda Danvers Still Alive?
Post by: Dylan Clearbrook on September 22, 2005, 05:36:10 AM
Quote from: "Psi"

But NOOOOO... I want to see Linda and Kara getting a friendship together, with Linda dealing with issues she has, and Kara gaining a mentor that did earn the right to the name Supergirl.



 :lol: Whether or not Linda "earned" the name Supergirl is a matter of opinion...I personally don't think she did....What she did Earn should have been Angel-Girl :lol:

(It's no secret that the whole angel thing is what drove me at a fast paced run away from PAD's Supergirl)

Quote from: "Psi"


Still, if the only way to see Linda again ever was in at least a good story that led up to her death... that I'd deal with it.. just a chance to read about the character one more time.



Now that I would have to disagree with.  Her death would mean nothing and there are too many in that infamous fridge already.  

Personally, I would like to see her back (never again associated with the Angel stuff, of course) in a supporting role in Supergirl or in another series (her own or some group) or not seen again rather than killed off for no other reason than to get rid of her.


As far as Kara taking on the Linda Danvers identity, you know, I would rather she didn't.  For two reasons:

1. it would only serve to antagonize those PAD fans that are willing to give this Kara a shot.

2. by taking on a different Identity, it would separate her from the SA Supergirl.  It would allow the writers more flexability in creating her personality if they did not have to try to make her match the Pre-Crisis kara.

Dylan


Title: Re: Is Linda Danvers Still Alive?
Post by: Dylan Clearbrook on September 22, 2005, 05:56:59 AM
Another thought.  Not a good one.

I think it likely that Linda will be or already has been retconned out. Very quietly.


Think about it.  The Powers That Be are obviously squashing any direct mention of her in the stories.  They are insinuating that Kara has not learned that there was a Supergirl before her.  how could that be?  Surely some one would have made a direct mention of it. (Direct...I THINK Powergirl alluded to it but very vaguely).

And as a writer...wow.  I would jump at the chance to write the story of Kara learning of Linda...That would be the beginning of an adventure that would set her on Linda's trail. Always one step behind the tortured woman that did not want to be found.

until finally, They meet...and with Kara's help, Linda starts on the road to healing.

Unless they planned on Retconning her out, this seems to me to be something that would HAVE to happen.

Dylan


Title: Re: Is Linda Danvers Still Alive?
Post by: Supergrl5013 on September 22, 2005, 08:02:19 AM
Quote
Psi wrote:

But NOOOOO... I want to see Linda and Kara getting a friendship together, with Linda dealing with issues she has, and Kara gaining a mentor that did earn the right to the name Supergirl.




 Whether or not Linda "earned" the name Supergirl is a matter of opinion...I personally don't think she did....What she did Earn should have been Angel-Girl  

(It's no secret that the whole angel thing is what drove me at a fast paced run away from PAD's Supergirl)

Psi wrote:


Still, if the only way to see Linda again ever was in at least a good story that led up to her death... that I'd deal with it.. just a chance to read about the character one more time.



Now that I would have to disagree with. Her death would mean nothing and there are too many in that infamous fridge already.

Personally, I would like to see her back (never again associated with the Angel stuff, of course) in a supporting role in Supergirl or in another series (her own or some group) or not seen again rather than killed off for no other reason than to get rid of her.


As far as Kara taking on the Linda Danvers identity, you know, I would rather she didn't. For two reasons:

1. it would only serve to antagonize those PAD fans that are willing to give this Kara a shot.

2. by taking on a different Identity, it would separate her from the SA Supergirl. It would allow the writers more flexability in creating her personality if they did not have to try to make her match the Pre-Crisis kara.

Dylan          
 


I'd agree with this but...with the angel stuff again... it kinda made her different somehow...she lost her powers to the Carnivore...regained a fraction by Twilight...then by the end of the series she gets all of her powers back
see this site for extensive info on what i'm talking about:

http://www.braveandthebold.net/characters/background/6884.html


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Another thought. Not a good one.

I think it likely that Linda will be or already has been retconned out. Very quietly.


Think about it. The Powers That Be are obviously squashing any direct mention of her in the stories. They are insinuating that Kara has not learned that there was a Supergirl before her. how could that be? Surely some one would have made a direct mention of it. (Direct...I THINK Powergirl alluded to it but very vaguely).

And as a writer...wow. I would jump at the chance to write the story of Kara learning of Linda...That would be the beginning of an adventure that would set her on Linda's trail. Always one step behind the tortured woman that did not want to be found.

until finally, They meet...and with Kara's help, Linda starts on the road to healing.

Unless they planned on Retconning her out, this seems to me to be something that would HAVE to happen.

Dylan
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 it would be really cool if they made a story out of your ideas Dylan!, but,i did disagree with the fact of her not having her angelic abilities.as i say again..it made her different from the other past/recent Supergirls...honestly i really liked what Peter did with the story...he changed it  to fit his imagination and religous aspects into one...plus it gave Sg a chance to regain a whole new cast of really great characters like Silver Banshee,Cutter Sharpe,Mattie Harcourt...and such...um.. what's retconning? i've never heard of this word...what do you mean by the authours were planning to "Retconn" her out?


Title: Re: Is Linda Danvers Still Alive?
Post by: ShinDangaioh on October 03, 2005, 06:18:09 AM
Retcon=Retroactive continuity.  Basically, they rewrite the past.

Now back to Linda.  I think DC might have some use for her in Infinite Crisis.

There is a bunch of theories regarding the Superman from JLA 119.  Here is the theory I posted:

There is a Superman that might have a very big grudge against this universe.

The Spectre kidnapped his wife and his daughter, Ariella, is missing and he's finally tracked both of them down to his wife's home universe.

There are things that point out that that Superman might be on his way. That Superman is not going to give up until he finds his wife and daughter, he's lost both sets of his parents and he's probably a bit touchy about losing any more family members.

After his wife, Linda Danvers, was brought back, that timeline was supposed to have gone down in non-existance. However, Ariella showed up much later on the current Earth. Supergirl is supposed to play a major role in the upcoming Crisis. Villians Unlimited are going after the people who know about the Crisis. However, no one knows Linda does know what really happened, save the Spectre.

Linda is hiding and trying to come to terms with the sacrfice she was forced to make.

Despite PAD's claims, that was not Earth-1. There were three things wrong right off the bat.

1) Pink Kryptonite
2) Superboy attending the wedding
3) Coloring error aside, the key to the Fortress of Solitude was of a different shape and size compared to its final incarnation before the reboot.

It seemed to be an alternate version of the Superfriends universe. Maybe Power Girl is actually from that Earth of Many Happy Returns.


Title: Re: Is Linda Danvers Still Alive?
Post by: Uncle Mxy on October 03, 2005, 08:56:20 AM
Quote from: "ShinDangaioh"
Despite PAD's claims, that was not Earth-1. There were three things wrong right off the bat.

1) Pink Kryptonite
2) Superboy attending the wedding
3) Coloring error aside, the key to the Fortress of Solitude was of a different shape and size compared to its final incarnation before the reboot.

1) Given the insane amounts of Kryptonite floating around in pre-Crisis times, I could believe that any color of Kryptonite exists.  Mauve, taupe, sea foam, etc. Kryptonite may all have been around, just to keep interior decorators happy.

2) The Superboy attending the wedding may have been Superboy of Earth-Prime.

3) The key is shaped right for at least one rendition.  Check out:
http://superman.nu/a/Encyclopaedia/Fortress/history.php
and note the differences in the key.


Title: Re: Is Linda Danvers Still Alive?
Post by: Uncle Mxy on October 03, 2005, 09:12:34 AM
Quote from: "ShinDangaioh"
After his wife, Linda Danvers, was brought back, that timeline was supposed to have gone down in non-existance. However, Ariella showed up much later on the current Earth. Supergirl is supposed to play a major role in the upcoming Crisis. Villians Unlimited are going after the people who know about the Crisis. However, no one knows Linda does know what really happened, save the Spectre.

Oh, I still think PAD's on crack for asserting that Ariella = R'E'L/Supergirl: One Million.  R'E'L's costume looks as much like Cir-El's as like Ariella's.


Title: Re: Is Linda Danvers Still Alive?
Post by: ShinDangaioh on October 03, 2005, 01:07:57 PM
I wasn't talking about Supergirl 1 Million.  In Teen Titans, Young Justice or some other present day title, Ariella showed up.


Title: Re: Is Linda Danvers Still Alive?
Post by: dto on October 04, 2005, 01:57:05 AM
At the very end of Young Justice's "Sins of Youth" arc, Klarion the Witch-Boy comments to his cat Teekl that this entire episode hasn't allayed his sense of loneliness.  At that moment, a spacecraft crashes in front of them and R'E'L pops out, just like Action Comics #252.  She quickly explains that she's from the future, and asks if Klarion would like to be her friend.  Much to Teekl's disgust, Klarion appears smitten by the winsome Supergirl, and we're led to believe they're still playing somewhere...

BUT -- the recent Seven Soldiers series has rebooted Klarion the Witch-Boy, so "Sins of Youth" is now retconned.  It NEVER happened, which is a sad blow to Peter David's Young Justice series.  So it's possible that R'E'L never made it to present-day Earth, or she's pestering some other poor soul.  Too bad -- Klarion and R'E'L were truly a match made in...  :twisted:


Title: Re: Is Linda Danvers Still Alive?
Post by: Supergrl5013 on October 16, 2005, 05:03:27 PM
Quote from: "dto"
At the very end of Young Justice's "Sins of Youth" arc, Klarion the Witch-Boy comments to his cat Teekl that this entire episode hasn't allayed his sense of loneliness.  At that moment, a spacecraft crashes in front of them and R'E'L pops out, just like Action Comics #252.  She quickly explains that she's from the future, and asks if Klarion would like to be her friend.  Much to Teekl's disgust, Klarion appears smitten by the winsome Supergirl, and we're led to believe they're still playing somewhere...

BUT -- the recent Seven Soldiers series has rebooted Klarion the Witch-Boy, so "Sins of Youth" is now retconned.  It NEVER happened, which is a sad blow to Peter David's Young Justice series.  So it's possible that R'E'L never made it to present-day Earth, or she's pestering some other poor soul.  Too bad -- Klarion and R'E'L were truly a match made in...  :twisted:
so...let me get this straight..R'E'L is the daughter of Linda and Supes-who's boyfriend is Klarion the Witch Boy-whos universe/Earth-1  in the comics..now never existed?....wow...these people really are sarting to confuse me with dissapearing characters/universes plus the Infinite Crisis storyarc was a bit confuseing.....um..i have another question...i think i saw the most recent Supergirl in the...just a moment i'll check....aw crap.....it's the one where Mxy teleports to Lois and Clarks house..Lois is argueeing with Clark about having a child....clark hears a baby crying ...finds Mxy..mxy says it's not what you think..gives the kid a present...when she grows up...about 17 or 18 i think..that's the age it looks in there/the drawing...she wears a similar costume to Superman's...i think that version of the costume was really good...Superman flies with "Supergirl" shows her a few moves in fighting...and that's all i got up to.....so  the question is...is there going to be Another Supergirl in the near future...plus will Linda EVER return...in the comics....there's a quote from Superman #198 "...But you ain't Linda Danvers..So you ain't Supergirl"...what was THAT about?


Title: another thought
Post by: Supergrl5013 on October 16, 2005, 05:13:10 PM
another thought wasn't Linda in a crossover with the Birds of Prey series of books?..if so which issues were they...'cause i'm trying to find the previews on www.milehighcomics.com....plus check out my blogs i have a few new ones...need to get the link:
http://blog.myspace.com/15455131


Title: Re: Is Linda Danvers Still Alive?
Post by: dto on October 17, 2005, 11:30:55 AM
Supergrl5013, when R'E'L first appeared in Supergirl One Million (November, 1998) she did not reveal her parentage, though she was obviously a Superman descendant.  It was unclear how many generations had passed, since the DC One Million series happened in the distant future.  But in the last Peter David Supergirl issue, #80 (May 2003), Ariella and R'E'L were connected as the same person.  Now, it's unlikely that Peter David ever imagined R'E'L to be the daughter of Linda and an alternate Earth-1 Superman when he first created her, nor when R'E'L reappeared in "Sins of Youth".  But as Supergirl faced imminent cancellation Peter David probably had a last-minute flash of inspiration and "tied up loose ends" by retconning both characters to be one and the same.  (And since both were inspired by PAD's daughter Ariel, it made perfect sense -- after the fact.)

The story involving Mxy's "little bundle of joy" was Adventures of Superman #638 (May, 2005).  a summary and review can be seen at http://www.supermanhomepage.com/comics/2005-post-crisis-reviews/c-review-2005.php?topic=aos638

"Lana Lane-Kent" is a POSSIBLE future daughter, so she technically should be classified with all the other "Imaginary Story' daughters of Lois and Clark.  There's actually quite a few second-generation Supergirls, but most only made one appearance.  I did find it somewhat amusing that Mxy would show Clark and Lois a daughter so soon after the Cir-El fiasco -- from what little we saw of Lana, I think she was "Cir-El done RIGHT".  Perhaps she was a "wink" to the fans, showing that DC COULD make an appealing Clark/Lois superdaughter, and Cir-El was only a plot-driven aberration?   :wink:

As for Birds of Prey, I cannot recall any crossover involving either Matrix or Linda, though Power Girl was a onetime Oracle agent before a blotched mission.  PeeGee quit and carried bitter feeling towards Oracle for a long time.  (This was before Gail Simone took on the Birds -- perhaps the tension between Babs and Karen is softening now.)


Title: Re: Is Linda Danvers Still Alive?
Post by: Supergrl5013 on September 19, 2007, 12:49:05 PM

As for Birds of Prey, I cannot recall any crossover involving either Matrix or Linda, though Power Girl was a onetime Oracle agent before a blotched mission.  PeeGee quit and carried bitter feeling towards Oracle for a long time.  (This was before Gail Simone took on the Birds -- perhaps the tension between Babs and Karen is softening now.)


sorry it wasn't" birds of prey"..i remember somewhere Peter stated in his blog that if Linda Danvers'/Supergirl run wouldn't have ended he would've chosen the Linda Danvers Supergirl, Powergirl, and the other Supergirl for  a bird of prey-like group...


I found it.


http://peterdavid.malibulist.com/archives/001127.html


Title: Re: Is Linda Danvers Still Alive?
Post by: dto on September 20, 2007, 04:37:09 AM
Ah, yes -- Blonde Justice.  I heard about this proposal, but I don't see how it could have continued for long since Kara HAD to return to her own time... and die.   :'(

And DC seems dead set against any "light-hearted" book right now.   Imagine what Infinite Crisis would have done -- Ariella would have returned, joining Alexander Luthor and Superanakin Primewalker because she wants her daddy restored.  In the climatic fight, Ariella is about to kill Kara when Linda intercedes, receiving the deadly blow.  Horrified, a sobbing Ariella flees right into the waiting arms of Buzz, who convinces the distraught child that HE is her "real daddy" and takes her away to plan revenge on "those who REALLY killed mommy"... 

All in all, it's perhaps best that Blonde Justice wasn't launched, and Linda Danvers retreated to Limbo.  I suspect Linda would have defintely been "Crisis fodder" if she was still around.   :(