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HAs batman ever beat superman in a fight if so can come one give my a link to that comic plz thank you

They are best friends! They have no reason to fight.

I believe Batman has never achieved this in mainstream canon continuity, both Pre and Post Crisis.

The only instance I know of is an alternate future/Elseworlds-type tale by Frank Miller, The Dark Knight Returns.

Another alternate is Red Son where he mops the floor with Kal pretty good.

My favorite take on the whole Supes vs. Batman 'feud' can definitely be found in Darywn Cooke's DC: The New Frontier, where Batman and Superman had a knock-down drag-out at the request of the administration. . .and it turns out they faked it, still the best of friends. :)

 -Def.

I rather liked that myself and it's nice dig at Iron Age fanboys who swear by that stupid DKR fight as proof positive that Batman could take him.

Frankly I'm sick of the whole Batman vs. Superman or Superman vs. Goku or vs. in general.  I'm tired of this "my Dad is better than your Dad" crap.

Let's see heroes working together and interacting as friends and colleges.

Oh, come now, *everyone* knows that real-life nonprofit group charity workers, policemen, and soliders spend all their time staring down each other like dogs, tell each other to "stay out of my city" and act like 9th graders...so I'm sure the comics are just being more "realistic" than that "superheroes getting along and behaving like adults" nonsense. ;-p

If you check out the current "Sacrifice" storyline in the superbooks, Superman, mind-pushed by Max Lord into not seeing what's really happening, easily nearly kills Batman in a straight up confrontation.

Batman barely survives only due to the timely arrival of Wonder Woman.  Even then, Diana had to repeatedly use the Purple Healing Ray on Batman as he was terminal without it.

That answers it definitively in current continuity and canon.  Batfanboys aside, Superman takes it in canon.

Just out of curiosity, is there anybody in the post-Crisis DCU who hasn't mind-controlled Superman?  :roll:

Jimmy Olsen? :wink:

Superman also quite easily defeated Batman in Lex Luthor: Man of Steel.

And I agree that Superman vs. Batman is played out. It was interesting when it first happened, but now it's become incredibly derivative. Honestly, didn't we get enough "hero vs. hero" stories in the nineties?

One of the ugliest aspects of the said annoying fights in the 90s that you mention, is that fights are handled like popularity contests. Whoever is more popular wins. This is irksome because a fictional universe operates by the rules that it creates; you have to follow those rules in order for suspension of disbelief to work. And those rules don't take into account who happens to be more popular right now.

At the moment, the more popular of Superman and Batman happens to be Batman, and it leads many to forget the absolute implausibility of Batman defeating Superman. Heck, Superman, at least the one true Silver Age Superman, could probably beat the entire rest of the JLA (if it was for their own good, of course - maybe Kanjar Ro put them under hypnotic compulsion).

Putting aside for the moment the fact that Superman and Batman, being mature, intelligent adults, would not settle their differences via something as childish as combat, and putting aside that the both of them are smart enough to realize they are on the same side...putting that aside, and creating a theoretical situation where Batman and Superman are to fight, there's no way Batman would ever yield victory.

For the simple reason that Batman's main concept is that he is basically human. There is no weaponry in his repertoire that is either a) something that exists today, or b) is something that will plausibly exist very soon. In other words, he doesn't have a ray gun or a time machine.

Superman on the other hand...his concept is that he is superhuman, that he's "science fiction." If Batman is the X-Files, Superman is Star Wars. There may not be a Time Machine in the Fortress of Solitude, but it wouldn't be out of place there, either. Batman is the supreme expression of a human being in agility, intelligence, and strength; Superman on the other hand, supercedes human agility, intelligence and strength by multiple orders of magnitude simply because of his concept.

And the whole Kryptonite thing? Seriously, if all it took to beat Superman was just to have some handy Kryptonite on hand, Luthor or Brainiac would have killed him by now.