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Title: IC #6 Cover
Post by: Super Monkey on December 10, 2005, 01:49:49 PM
I don't think this is the full complete cover, just a sneak peak like before, but is that what I think it is?:shock:

see it here:
http://www.newsarama.com/dcnew/Feb06/preview/InfiniteCrisisCv6.jpg


Also, more sneak cover here:

http://www.newsarama.com/dcnew/Feb06/preview/MarchDCPreview.htm


Title: Re: IC #6 Cover
Post by: Great Rao on December 10, 2005, 02:33:53 PM
More evidence for my theory that Earths One and Two will be returning, when the current Earth-Zero splits back in two.  (Although I suspect that the new Earth-1 will look a lot more like Earth-0 than like the original Earth-1)

The only remaining questions are - will the Earth-1 Superman keep the Birthright origin; and what of Earth-D?  :)

:s:


Title: Re: IC #6 Cover
Post by: Great Rao on December 10, 2005, 03:27:31 PM
With those belt-mounted flight packs, the figures on the Supergirl cover (http://www.newsarama.com/dcnew/Feb06/preview/SupergirlCv7-01.jpg) look like they could be a female Nightwing and Flamebird.  Especially with that "After (someone - almost looks like 'Immonen') and Anderson" message in the lower right corner...

:s:


Title: Re: IC #6 Cover
Post by: llozymandias on December 10, 2005, 04:08:15 PM
Earth-Zero has elements of Earths 1, 2, 4, S, & X.  So if Earth-Zero were to "split back" into its "component" earths, that should be at least a 5 way split.  That cover picture looks more like two earths colliding than one splitting into two.


Title: Re: IC #6 Cover
Post by: Super Monkey on December 10, 2005, 04:31:18 PM
Quote from: "llozymandias"
Earth-Zero has elements of Earths 1, 2, 4, S, & X.  So if Earth-Zero were to "split back" into its "component" earths, that should be at least a 5 way split.  That cover picture looks more like two earths colliding than one splitting into two.


If that is true then, what is the other Earth and where did it come from?


Title: Re: IC #6 Cover
Post by: ShinDangaioh on December 10, 2005, 06:15:33 PM
Quote from: "Super Monkey"
Quote from: "llozymandias"
Earth-Zero has elements of Earths 1, 2, 4, S, & X.  So if Earth-Zero were to "split back" into its "component" earths, that should be at least a 5 way split.  That cover picture looks more like two earths colliding than one splitting into two.


If that is true then, what is the other Earth and where did it come from?


You have not been following the Elseworlds lines have you?  ;)

From a bit in Previews catalog, Infinite Crisis is supposed to visit the worlds described in Kingdom Come and Justice League: The Nail.

Kingdom Come was a possible future.

The big thing here is Justice League: The Nail.  In the series with the Limbo Cell, it was shown the the Nail universe is actually a multi-verse.  My guess is that if that is a collision between two Earths, the other one has to be The Nail Earth.  Nail and Zero are oppisite sides of the coin.   There is also the posibility it is the Wildstorm universe with Mister Majestic and WildCATS.  Captain Atom is now in the Wildstorm universe

It's not like a few Earths didn't escape damage.  Earth C and Earth C Minus were stated to be too far away for COIE to affect


Title: Re: IC #6 Cover
Post by: Johnny Nevada on December 10, 2005, 07:29:44 PM
Actually, Earth-C and Earth-C-Minus were stated to be alternate *dimensions* instead of "parallel Earths", and thus were spared from Crisis. Dumb distinction that isn't really one to me---even if it was a cartoonish Earth, it *was* still "Earth" (and the characters lived in a manner similar to people on "our" Earth, even with their own versions of the Moon and Pluto)---but guess if it keeps them around... ;-)

Re: splitting Earth-0 back into its component worlds: while it is an amalgam of Earths-1, -2, -S, -X, and -4, would think splitting them into Earth-1 and -2 would be the main splitting goal (if it were up to me, I'd also throw in -S, figuring that the Marvel Family could use their own world to run around in).


Title: Re: IC #6 Cover
Post by: Super Monkey on December 10, 2005, 09:08:38 PM
BTW, what do you think of the Post-IC Robin costume?

Changing the costumes of classic characters rarely works, but IMHO this is one of best designs. I really like it. Not that it's saying much, but I think it's my favorite Robin costume.

here it is:

http://www.newsarama.com/dcnew/Feb06/preview/RobinCv148-01.jpg


Title: Re: IC #6 Cover
Post by: dto on December 11, 2005, 12:15:16 AM
Concerning the partially-blacked out "Supergirl #7" cover, I posted the following comments on the DC Message Boards:


We'll probably have a better idea once the official March solicitations are released on Monday, but here's a thought...

We know that Supergirl will be appearing in the Legion of Super-Heroes about that time. In the new Legion stories there's been teasing references to a planet called "Rokyn", but so far we've had no depictions of this place or its inhabitants.

Bronze Age readers might recall that Rokyn ("Rao's Gift") was also called New Krypton. This was where the Bottled City of Kandor was finally enlarged. And Kandor was the home of Van-Zee and Ak-Var, aka "Nightwing and Flamebird". (The original Nightwing and Flamebird were Superman and Jimmy Olsen.)

The Rokyn system often phased between dimensions, and the last time that planet was seen was during "Superman #414", when Superman returned Supergirl's body to her parents for burial. Rokyn was never seen or mentioned again during the Post-Crisis era.

But perhaps Infinite Crisis has jolted Rokyn back into the Legion universe? Can this be the Mark Waid version of Daxam? And is it a rebooted "Birthright" Rokyn, or the very same Rokyn that once visited the Earth-1 universe? So the shadowed figures might be the distant descendants of Van-Zee and Ak-Var, still relying on belt thrusters due to Rokyn's high gravity and red sun.

And if this really IS the same old Rokyn in the 31st Century, our new Supergirl may find something very shocking waiting for her and the Legionnaires -- the 1,020-year-old TOMB of KARA ZOR-EL!   :shock:


Title: Re: IC #6 Cover
Post by: Anonymous on December 11, 2005, 04:07:27 PM
Quote from: "Super Monkey"
BTW, what do you think of the Post-IC Robin costume?

Changing the costumes of classic characters rarely works, but IMHO this is one of best designs. I really like it. Not that it's saying much, but I think it's my favorite Robin costume.

here it is:

http://www.newsarama.com/dcnew/Feb06/preview/RobinCv148-01.jpg


looks teen titanish.. but who's the bat character behind him?


Title: Re: IC #6 Cover
Post by: Great Rao on December 11, 2005, 04:24:27 PM
Quote from: "Super Monkey"
BTW, what do you think of the Post-IC Robin costume?

Changing the costumes of classic characters rarely works, but IMHO this is one of best designs. I really like it. Not that it's saying much, but I think it's my favorite Robin costume.

here it is:

http://www.newsarama.com/dcnew/Feb06/preview/RobinCv148-01.jpg


I still have a soft-spot for the original short-pants version; but as far as the long-pants Robin costumes are concerned (from the Earth-2 Robin to the Tim Drake versions), I agree - this is the best one yet.

Having the top and the bottom be the same color seems like an obvious evolution - and turns it into a "real" super-hero costume.  I'm surprised they never did this before.

Now I'm even more curious about Superboy-prime's new costume.

:s:


Title: Re: IC #6 Cover
Post by: DoctorZero on December 11, 2005, 08:59:20 PM
I am still skeptical that they will go back to multiple earths.  I suspect that several elements of earth 2 will be more incorporated into the new DC Universe, however.


Title: Re: IC #6 Cover
Post by: DBN on December 12, 2005, 01:02:11 PM
Quote from: "ShinDangaioh"
Quote from: "Super Monkey"
Quote from: "llozymandias"
Earth-Zero has elements of Earths 1, 2, 4, S, & X.  So if Earth-Zero were to "split back" into its "component" earths, that should be at least a 5 way split.  That cover picture looks more like two earths colliding than one splitting into two.


If that is true then, what is the other Earth and where did it come from?


You have not been following the Elseworlds lines have you?  ;)

From a bit in Previews catalog, Infinite Crisis is supposed to visit the worlds described in Kingdom Come and Justice League: The Nail.

Kingdom Come was a possible future.

The big thing here is Justice League: The Nail.  In the series with the Limbo Cell, it was shown the the Nail universe is actually a multi-verse.  My guess is that if that is a collision between two Earths, the other one has to be The Nail Earth.  Nail and Zero are oppisite sides of the coin.   There is also the posibility it is the Wildstorm universe with Mister Majestic and WildCATS.  Captain Atom is now in the Wildstorm universe

It's not like a few Earths didn't escape damage.  Earth C and Earth C Minus were stated to be too far away for COIE to affect


Nope, that happened in the most recent issue of JSA.


Title: Re: IC #6 Cover
Post by: Anonymous on December 12, 2005, 01:11:43 PM
what happend in jsa?

the nail and another nail showed the exsistence of a multiverse...
i wonder if the nail universe had a coie?


Title: Re: IC #6 Cover
Post by: Kuuga on December 13, 2005, 10:55:53 AM
Man, why are people comparing this new Robin costume to the teen Titans cartoon version? That costume actually looks more like the Tim Drake costume than this.

..and the feathers. Look, it's Robin as in **ROBIN HOOD** not the bird!  I don't care what they had Chriis O'Donell blabbering about in Batman Forever!


Title: Re: IC #6 Cover
Post by: Super Monkey on December 13, 2005, 11:27:05 AM
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Man, why are people comparing this new Robin costume to the teen Titans cartoon version?


I believe they are comparing the art not the suit itself, your pal Ed drew him like a buffer version of how Robin is drawn in the Cartoon.


Title: Re: IC #6 Cover
Post by: Kuuga on December 13, 2005, 11:55:11 AM
Quote from: "Super Monkey"
Quote
Man, why are people comparing this new Robin costume to the teen Titans cartoon version?


I believe they are comparing the art not the suit itself, your pal Ed drew him like a buffer version of how Robin is drawn in the Cartoon.


Well I certainally don't want to drum up that old debate but yeah I can readily admit this is not Eds best right here.  :?

Even so I still don't think it looks like the Teen Titans design and people are just kind of assuming that since he's being drawn in the oh-so dreaded cartoony style.

As for the other covers, looks like we have Hawkgirl about to get raped by zombies. I'm pretty sure that's gonna be a female version of Nightwing and Flamebird on the Supergirl cover. As for the Earths, I don't know.

Not even sure I care at this point unless it's a better Earth that breaks away from Earth Grim and we start following *that* one in the mainline books, leaving Earth Grim far behind to rot.


Title: Re: IC #6 Cover
Post by: BMK! on December 13, 2005, 12:19:55 PM
While it's not Ed's best on the Robin cover, here's the Teen Wonder (in new costume) on the cover of Teen Titans...it looks GREAT!


http://www.comicbookresources.com/news/preview.php?image=solicits/dc032006/dcu/big/TeenTitansCv34.jpg


Title: Re: IC #6 Cover
Post by: Kuuga on December 13, 2005, 12:24:51 PM
Quote from: "BMK!"
While not Ed's best, here's Robin (in new costume) on the cover of Teen Titans...it looks GREAT!


http://www.comicbookresources.com/news/preview.php?image=solicits/dc032006/dcu/big/TeenTitansCv34.jpg


Looks a tad bit better there. The cape reminds me of Gatchaman which by itself is cool but I'm not sure about doing that for Robin.

As for the other solicits, looks like little to nothing will change after Crisis. It'll just be trucking along the same old darkness path. I guess E2S fails.


Title: Re: IC #6 Cover
Post by: Super Monkey on December 13, 2005, 01:18:17 PM
Quote from: "BMK!"
While it's not Ed's best on the Robin cover, here's the Teen Wonder (in new costume) on the cover of Teen Titans...it looks GREAT!


http://www.comicbookresources.com/news/preview.php?image=solicits/dc032006/dcu/big/TeenTitansCv34.jpg


That is a much better drawing, very cool.


Title: Re: IC #6 Cover
Post by: Great Rao on December 13, 2005, 02:08:51 PM
Quote from: "Super Monkey"
Quote from: "BMK!"
While it's not Ed's best on the Robin cover, here's the Teen Wonder (in new costume) on the cover of Teen Titans...it looks GREAT!


http://www.comicbookresources.com/news/preview.php?image=solicits/dc032006/dcu/big/TeenTitansCv34.jpg


That is a much better drawing, very cool.


Completely different color scheme here in the second one.  All the green (http://www.newsarama.com/dcnew/Feb06/preview/RobinCv148-01.jpg) has turned to black (http://www.comicbookresources.com/news/preview.php?image=solicits/dc032006/dcu/big/TeenTitansCv34.jpg).

:s:


Title: Re: IC #6 Cover
Post by: Super Monkey on December 13, 2005, 04:13:24 PM
These things change, I am sure they will fix that, which should be easy with PS. I like it Green better, the 1st drawing itself was bad, but the design was great, I don't know who came up with the design. The second was better, which is what I was referring to, the actual drawing rather than the design.


Title: Re: IC #6 Cover
Post by: DBN on December 13, 2005, 06:29:52 PM
Quote from: "sikkbones"
what happend in jsa?

the nail and another nail showed the exsistence of a multiverse...
i wonder if the nail universe had a coie?


Dr. Fate (Flying Helmet Nabu) was fighting Mordru and Fate drew Mordru into to those worlds to show him (Mordru) that he wasn't so omnipitant as he thought.

We were only shown a small glimse of each world.

KC universe during the final battle at the Gulag.

JLA: The Nail the scene where Batman killed the Joker.

Big letdown really.

As far as Multiverses go, the current DC already has one and the existance of it is known. The Wildstorm crossovers of Mr. Majastic to the DC Earth and Captain Atom to the Wildstorm Earth prove this. Not to mention the Superman/Batman: Absolute Power arc.

When Mr. Majastic visited the DC earth, he even mentioned a Multiverse directly.


Title: Re: IC #6 Cover
Post by: Anonymous on December 13, 2005, 07:49:12 PM
i have the feeling that we going to see the exsistance of a multiverse acknowleged but the fact that it's not accessable by any means.. which would be intelligent.. seeing how the idea of givergent earths is a possibilty in the real world...
but we can't access alternate realities even if they do exsisit.


Title: Re: IC #6 Cover
Post by: ShinDangaioh on December 14, 2005, 07:39:17 PM
Quote from: "sikkbones"
what happend in jsa?

the nail and another nail showed the exsistence of a multiverse...
i wonder if the nail universe had a coie?


Justice League: The Nail II was the Nail multiverse's COIE.

The story started off showing the war between the Green Lantern Corps and Apokolips.  At the end Apokolips was destroyed and Darkseid was dead.  Although, there was a mystery.  Just before Darkseid died, he yelled out that he was the only one able to save the universe.  It turned out the reason he yelled that was because he alone could sense IT aka The Limbo Cell.  It merely ate anergy and was content.  That felling of contentment was what alerted Darkseid to its presence and he started working on ways to destroy it.  One of them was a modified Amazo android.  The heroes were scrambling around trying to figure out what exactly Darkseid was referring to and then try to save the universe.

The Limbo Cell was draining energy from across the multiverse.  Black Canary, Star Sapphire, Power Girl, and some other metas stole the Amazo android(laced with Apokoliptian tech) from Doctor Magnus which Dinah was hoping to save Olliver Queen's life.  Ollie's mind was put into the Amazo andrioid and he sacrficed himself to stop the Limbo Cell.  If the Libo Cell wasn't stopped, the multiverse would have reached a critical condition and all of space and time would happen at once and eventually collapse.

Joker ws dead and in Hell. He was taking advantage of the situation by psycologically torturing Batman and then trying to drag Selina Kyle bodily into Hell.  Batman shoved Selina away and pushed the Demon Joker back into the portal to Hell, even though he would be trapped in Hell.  The ghosts/angels of Dick Grayson and Barbra Gordon stepped in and sent Batman back.  At the end, we had a smiling Batman who looked like he would eventually marry Selina Kyle.   Batman and Catwoman asked to join the Justice League of America(in Batman's case, rejoin).  The JLofA accepted the two of them with open arms.  Star Sapphire also joined the JLofA as well.

The Nail multiverse walked away from their COIE pretty much intact.  The few deaths that were recorded had meaning and wasn't stuck in the revolving door.


Title: Re: IC #6 Cover
Post by: Anonymous on December 14, 2005, 07:49:22 PM
Quote from: "ShinDangaioh"
Quote from: "sikkbones"
what happend in jsa?

the nail and another nail showed the exsistence of a multiverse...
i wonder if the nail universe had a coie?


Justice League: The Nail II was the Nail multiverse's COIE.

The story started off showing the war between the Green Lantern Corps and Apokolips.  At the end Apokolips was destroyed and Darkseid was dead.  Although, there was a mystery.  Just before Darkseid died, he yelled out that he was the only one able to save the universe.  It turned out the reason he yelled that was because he alone could sense IT aka The Limbo Cell.  It merely ate anergy and was content.  That felling of contentment was what alerted Darkseid to its presence and he started working on ways to destroy it.  One of them was a modified Amazo android.  The heroes were scrambling around trying to figure out what exactly Darkseid was referring to and then try to save the universe.

The Limbo Cell was draining energy from across the multiverse.  Black Canary, Star Sapphire, Power Girl, and some other metas stole the Amazo android(laced with Apokoliptian tech) from Doctor Magnus which Dinah was hoping to save Olliver Queen's life.  Ollie's mind was put into the Amazo andrioid and he sacrficed himself to stop the Limbo Cell.  If the Libo Cell wasn't stopped, the multiverse would have reached a critical condition and all of space and time would happen at once and eventually collapse.

Joker ws dead and in Hell. He was taking advantage of the situation by psycologically torturing Batman and then trying to drag Selina Kyle bodily into Hell.  Batman shoved Selina away and pushed the Demon Joker back into the portal to Hell, even though he would be trapped in Hell.  The ghosts/angels of Dick Grayson and Barbra Gordon stepped in and sent Batman back.  At the end, we had a smiling Batman who looked like he would eventually marry Selina Kyle.   Batman and Catwoman asked to join the Justice League of America(in Batman's case, rejoin).  The JLofA accepted the two of them with open arms.  Star Sapphire also joined the JLofA as well.

The Nail multiverse walked away from their COIE pretty much intact.  The few deaths that were recorded had meaning and wasn't stuck in the revolving door.


so is the mainstream DCU part of the nail's multiverse?

too bad the nail couldn't have an earth-2 lol.


Title: Re: IC #6 Cover
Post by: Gernot on December 27, 2005, 02:52:43 AM
I just wish someone at DC could think of a way to bring back the ORIGINAL Earth-3.  

I always liked the villains who liked each other, like the heroes of the JLA did.  :D