Superman Through the Ages! Forum

Just wondering what your choice would be. Feel free to discuss. :)

 For me, it's a balancing act. I'd certainly like to return to the halcyon days of yore, when Superman was the bestest and the fastest with the mostest, but I admit it can be a challenge to write Superman as nigh-ominpotent. I lean toward the Birthrigh approach to things; honoring what's come before while still making Superman contemporary to the current period, but maybe with a few more Silver Age elements thrown in (he needs a Fortress darnit, with giant key, I don't care what Morrison says. ;)). But what do you think? Vote and if you like drop a line and let me know what you think. :)

 -Def.

I voted Earth-1 Supes, but we really need both. You need that guy who saved Evelyn Curry's neck and fought giant flying robots.

However, there is no denying the change in Superman's personality between the Golden and Silver ages. This has been explained in the past by saying that they were two different people, but as I've said before, I think that Superman of Earth-2 seems retroacted and forced, and doesn't quite fit.

I would rather have Superman "go soft" because of something more natural, like the arrival of his little cousin Kara. I wouldn't mind a single Superman, like Byrne tried to do, as long as all of the past stories still happened.

Actually his personality seemed to change early in the golden-age.  Most of the elements associated with Earth-1 actually started in the golden-age.  His name being Kal-El instead of Kal-L.  The Daily Planet & its editor-in-chief Perry White.  Luthor as a bald man.  Superboy.  The reason the Superboy stories were (at one point) said to take place in the 20s through mid-30s was to have him becoming Superman as a 21 year old circa 1938.  Basically prior to the Earth-1 /Earth-2 retcon, the official stance was that all the prior Superman stories were about the same Superman.

Comic dialog was fairly short and to the point in the Golden Age, so in a lot of ways, I have a hard time reading Superman's personality at all...

As for the question, I don't think you can retroactively impose a multiverse and have it approach the charm it had as it was introduced and built...and then Black Canary wanted to live on another world, we got Power Girl etc. and it went too far, for me... 8)

Once the Superman entry is more fleshed out then the differences will become clearer.

Probably the current Superman (and I'm sure he'll be the "winner"), but the return of the Earth-1 Man of Steel wouldn't disappoint me.

I voted Earth 1 as well but dont think that'll be happening. Best of both (all?) worlds that DC will probably try to reconcile ALL with a major film coming out is a combo of Earth1, Birthright and inital 86 reboot (no Superboy). A more self assured, confident, morally fit Superman with ideals and integrity and not this dark buffoon who's been running around in a cape.  Maybe that Superman shoulda stayed dead!

'No Superboy' would tie in with Smallville but once SuperMAN announces his presence in THAT world, how long do you think it would take for the Smallville town fathers to take down that Meteor Capital of the World billboard and replace it with a Home of SuperBOY one.  Somebody's gonna finally put  all those miraculous feats together and make sense out of senselessness. ;)  Vince Sullivan's namesake perhaps?

Well, if the Multiverse really does come back then we can have all of them.

I haven't been reading IC, so my knowledge of it comes mostly from reports and rumors on various message boards. I get the impression that after IC ends, there will be only one Earth, but that memories of Earth-2 will be retained, including the memories of a Golden Age Superman. I don't know how that would work (it assumes that E2 Superman and the current one will merge), at least not without a lot of confusion and complications. I would much rather see the multiverse return full time. Things would be easier that way, assuming DC wants the JSA's original history to be remembered.

I have a feeling only the super heroes will remember Earth 2.  Say, here's a thought.  How could all the population of Earth 2 return?  I mean, the ordinary citizens.  Shouldn't some of them had duplicates on Earth 1?  If they return, where were they when the earths were merged?

I picked the Pre-Coie Supes, of course.   That is what I would LIKE to see.

What I THINK we will see is NONE of THE ABOVE :)  Perhaps a Superman that is a combo of the post-COIE Kal-El and the E-2 Kal-L

When IC first started, I was hopeful that we would have more, that the Multiverse would be returning (even if it only consisted of two earths)

Then I became convinced that it was all a ruse by DC...that the MV might return...briefly...only to be whisked away again.  ("Here little boy...you want this piece of candy?  Well you can't have it so Na-na-na")

While I still lean towards this, I am not so sure anymore.  The "rumors" that there will only be one earth after all this seem too....controlled.  But then, they all seem to be that way.  Almost as if it is a deliberate red herring.

But then, I have also about come to the conclusion that having the MV back would NOT be a good thing.  Not because I dislike the MV (I all but stopped reading DC when they destroyed it) but because I am not sure I want the MV existing in this dark DC.....

But as the guy at the comic shop told me when I got the latest copy of Supergirl...."IC may be ultra dark.....but isn't it always darkest before the dawn?"   So perhaps the DCU after IC won't be as dark...or, with a return of the MV, perhaps the readers will have more of a choice.

(In which case, DC would probably keep tabs on what was bringing in the most money and lean heavier in that direction)

Dylan

I voted for them to keep the Ultraman that they've had since 1986.

It's also darkest for a a person right before they commit suicide.

The only choice  seems to be Vertigo or kids books.

The rumors being controlled?  Take a look at the DC Message Boards currently.  All boards have problems with trolls at one time or another, but DC is the only board that I've seen that requires almost every post to be read and approved by a moderator before showing up on their message boards.

As to Superman, well we got Meltzer and his ideas and he likes WIMPERman over a hero.

And of course, you have so many "fans" that seem to think that if DC isn't dark, then it has to be a kiddie book....with nothing in between.



 :lol: I just had to contact the mod at the DCBoards to get myself taken off Pre-moderation.  Only those with fewer than 500 posts are to be pre-moderated.   I have to say, I am not surprised...as bad as it was getting...and I only frequent the IC and Supergirl forums.

As for controlled, I didn't mean the fan oriented rumors but rather those rumors, hints, and allegations put out by the supposed Powers That Be.

Dylan

They should crucify all the versions of Superman and then have some Roman soldiers come up and say: "All right, we've been told to let Superman go. Now which one is that?" And then they'd all go: "I'm Superman!" "No, I'm Superman!" and Earth-2 Superman would say "I'm Superman, and so's my wife".

Having said that, they'll go with whatever version of Superman the eight-year-olds like best, because they're the ones with all the purchasing power. I'm sure they market test this sort of venture first.

animated superman?

I have to say, I am not surprised...as bad as it was getting...and I only frequent the IC and Supergirl forums.

   I haven't posted on that messageboard in a good while.  It's one thing to read something that bothers or offends you, but to be caught up in a debate and have it aimed at you just makes me feel worse.
    The final straw was someone replying to something I'd written.  This person replied saying that the people who expect the Multiverse and Pre-Crisis continuity to return are as delusional as Kal-L.
    Does this person notice that Post-Crisis John Byrne Superman and Frank Miller Batman have been slowly phasing out?
    To give the Post-Crisis generation some of their own advice that they gave us: "It's time to move on."

Crazed Villian are you logging in from Doc Savage's home for Crazed Villains located Upstate?  :wink:

The crazedvillain username I came up with for the Batman 1966 messageboard site as a nod to Batman's world.  I later used the name for the DC messageboard and for this site.
   I do realize that it's more than Batman's enemies that inspired me to come up with that name.