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Superman on the Screen! => The Movies => Topic started by: KavMan on March 19, 2006, 06:44:05 PM



Title: Williams///Ottman
Post by: KavMan on March 19, 2006, 06:44:05 PM
Does anyone know the music score being used in Returns is?

In the teaser and in the offical, John Williams original score was used. But is John Ottman doing a takeoff of that score, or is he doing something completly new?

Did you hear the Superman Lives theme? I have mixed feelings on that one!
http://www.supermansupersite.com/themes.html

Would you like to here something new - get a new theme tune in your head, or is Williams' one a classic, and stay in the Superman movie world?

[cK]


Title: Re: Williams///Ottman
Post by: The Last Son on March 20, 2006, 12:10:49 AM
I personally think that Williams' theme is timeless and worth keeping. To me it sounds as though Williams took the 40s Fleicher theme, cranked the orchestration and epic-ness to 11 and ran with it. It seems to retain the same melody, just changed a bit. I also really like the 1996 Animated Series theme. It really seems to capture the bombast and adventure of Superman so well. And I know it's not strictly "Superman", but the Justice League animated series (not Unlimited) is fantastic. Sorry if I went a bit off topic.


Title: Re: Williams///Ottman
Post by: Sword of Superman on March 23, 2006, 04:10:53 PM
From what i understand it will be a simple takeoff from the original score,
and this because director Bryan Singer really love the comic book character and respect their history.
I know that someone may disagree with me because it has not appreciate the new costume that our hero wears in the new movie,but i think that some little change are inevitable for satisfy both old and new fan.


Title: Re: Williams///Ottman
Post by: King Krypton on March 25, 2006, 07:33:44 PM
Singer's definitely keeping the Williams fanfare. Not everyone's happy about it (some think the music is dated and outlived its usefulness), but he's using it. There's also going to be an opening credit sequence very similar to the 1978 opening titles.

Hey, anything's better than slapstick stupidity on the city streets, right?


Title: Re: Williams///Ottman
Post by: KavMan on March 25, 2006, 07:37:40 PM
Don't even talk about the street sequence. That's the worst thing even in the world of Superman, exect Lex Luthor having real hair in THE QUEST FOR PEACE: SUPERMAN IV. Can anyone explane that. He was bald, and wore a wig in I & II, and in IV, He was going bald, losing his real hair. EXPLANE!!!

[cK]


Title: Re: Williams///Ottman
Post by: Great Rao on March 26, 2006, 01:33:31 AM
Quote from: "KavMan"
Don't even talk about the street sequence. That's the worst thing even in the world of Superman, exect Lex Luthor having real hair in THE QUEST FOR PEACE: SUPERMAN IV. Can anyone explane that. He was bald, and wore a wig in I & II, and in IV, He was going bald, losing his real hair. EXPLANE!!!

[cK]


One of the many budget limitations that plagued the film.  They couldn't afford a bald wig, and they couldn't afford a hair wig.

:s:


Title: Re: Williams///Ottman
Post by: shazamtd on March 26, 2006, 11:54:11 AM
Quote from: "King Krypton"
Singer's definitely keeping the Williams fanfare. Not everyone's happy about it (some think the music is dated and outlived its usefulness), but he's using it. There's also going to be an opening credit sequence very similar to the 1978 opening titles.

Hey, anything's better than slapstick stupidity on the city streets, right?


How do they think the Superman theme is dated?  I wonder if those people feel the same way about the Star Wars theme.


Title: Re: Williams///Ottman
Post by: KavMan on March 26, 2006, 12:15:36 PM
Well said!!! I agree. I have the score downloaded on my computer and it is still as fresh as it was in 1978.

[cK]


Title: Re: Williams///Ottman
Post by: Sword of Superman on March 27, 2006, 04:03:07 PM
I really love the Superman theme :D ,is one of my favorite,how can some people judge so hard things that have worked so well for many years?


Title: Re: Williams///Ottman
Post by: Sword of Superman on March 27, 2006, 04:04:32 PM
Quote from: "shazamtd"
Quote from: "King Krypton"
Singer's definitely keeping the Williams fanfare. Not everyone's happy about it (some think the music is dated and outlived its usefulness), but he's using it. There's also going to be an opening credit sequence very similar to the 1978 opening titles.

Hey, anything's better than slapstick stupidity on the city streets, right?


How do they think the Superman theme is dated?  I wonder if those people feel the same way about the Star Wars theme.


I have the feeling that sometimes writer/director who are taking over on  alredy existing character,their first move is to "erase" from his background the things that they hate,and don't giving a darn if such characteristics are loved by the audience,we have seen so many times happens in comics history.


Title: Re: Williams///Ottman
Post by: King Krypton on March 29, 2006, 11:16:13 PM
Quote from: "shazamtd"
Quote from: "King Krypton"
Singer's definitely keeping the Williams fanfare. Not everyone's happy about it (some think the music is dated and outlived its usefulness), but he's using it. There's also going to be an opening credit sequence very similar to the 1978 opening titles.

Hey, anything's better than slapstick stupidity on the city streets, right?


How do they think the Superman theme is dated?  I wonder if those people feel the same way about the Star Wars theme.


Some of them hate the Donner movies and want no ties to them at all.

Some of them think the Williams theme is too tied to Donner/Reeve to be relevant in a new era, and want a new theme in its place.

And then there a few crazy people who hate Williams' music and wanted their pet composer to get the gig. But they're the minority view. The bulk of the Williams naysayers either think the theme's a relic of the past or just plain don't want any ties to Donner's film at all.

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Don't even talk about the street sequence. That's the worst thing even in the world of Superman, exect Lex Luthor having real hair in THE QUEST FOR PEACE: SUPERMAN IV. Can anyone explane that. He was bald, and wore a wig in I & II, and in IV, He was going bald, losing his real hair. EXPLANE!!!


Given Luthor's scientific acumen, it's possible he might have tried to cure his baldness and only had partial success. It's not like it would be out of character for him to try.