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Current Superman and Earth-2 Superman make up and decide to team up against the enemy.

Superboy finally dies, hurray, no more fake Superboys! (the Emo clone guy)

Good news indeed, and a pleasant surprise.


Just what I've been predicting.  All to make room for a possible "new" Superboy.  At first I thought Kon would be replaced by Superboy-Prime, but now I've got a new guess... :wink:

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Well, let's not jinx it.

It was only hinted at, only one man around here knows for sure and he ain't talking!

Dead Clone!

(http://img97.imageshack.us/img97/2623/42717ful8wd.jpg)

Meh, I liked the kid.

That statue (or one like it) was also in the latest issue of Action Comics.

I liked the Kid back when Karl Kesel was having fun with him, and there was a good Jeph Loeb issue (http://superman.nu/superman-comics/about/superman155/), but that's about it.  I just couldn't get excited about a teenager who popped fully grown from a test-tube.  Same problem as Impulse.

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I suppose there is enough DNA or sources of it with a leftover helping of any remaining hypertime to bring him back again...nothwithstanding how the newest DC changes take hold, this post Crisis universe still doesn't seem so much more uncomplicated and streamlined than the multiverse to me...

I loved Kessel's take on the character and even some of PAD's work throughout Young Justice. I've followed the character since his first appearance and it's kind of sad to see him go.

You're right, the character has been around for over 10 years, so I can feel bad for those folks that have been following him...

Just tell them what they told us about Supergirl ;)

I still bemoan the long-promised "Matrix Supermonkey"... 8)

No Beppo, bad monkey.  

We need to show that we are better than they were, otherwise how are we any different from the enemy?  We need to be understanding.

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It was a joke!

I was just kidding, besides there are already rumors of him being re-cloned and returning soon to the Titians.

I'm glad Infinite Crisis had such a lasting effect.

I guess there's a reason it's "infinite"...

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Well, it is just a rumor for now.


Here is the lastest...

CRISIS COUNSELING SESSION 6 w/ DAN DIDIO

http://www.newsarama.com/forums/showthread.php?s=526125204c6061d4191567685f6dff3a&threadid=65741

In Teen Titans #34 (the first One Year Later issue for that title), Robin has secretly created a lab under Titans Tower and is trying to clone Conner Kent.

I'm sure DC never intended it, but this Robin is named Tim Drake -- and back in the Pre-Crisis days a Professor Drake successfully cloned Supergirl!  (If you call six mini-clones a success, that is -- will Dr. Frankenrobin create six mini-Connors that later merge into one adult-sized clone?)   :wink:

And let's not over-emphasize the Supergirl/Superboy parallel sacrifices -- one important difference was that Kara Zor-El was forgotten completely, while Connor Kent is honored by a memorial statue and continues to affect his surviving family and friends.

Didn't she have a memorial statue in the LOSH after Crisis? I seem to remember one during the death of the Pocketverse Superboy.

Best issue of the series so far. The interaction between the two Supermen was just fine. I was a fan of the clone Superboy, of couse he wasn't the real Superboy, he was a fun character and his sacrifice was noble and heroic. I don't want him to be ressurrected, but we probably will hava a Superboy in the DC Universe, maybe his DNA with a different personality? I don't know.

The death has been posted:

http://img105.imageshack.us/my.php?image=superboydeath24sj.jpg

http://img85.imageshack.us/my.php?image=superboydeath13ri.jpg




So it's not really a rumor. Now that doesn't mean that Robin will pull it off.

Speaking of Superboys....

With rumors of the return of the one true Superboy, I can't belive none of you caught this little bit from that link I posted:

DD = DC Executive Editor Dan DiDio

The creation of the new Earth:

http://img85.imageshack.us/my.php?image=newearth5vy.jpg

That statue on Shanghalla was snuck in there under DC's nose.  By that time Supergirl should have been erased from ALL history.  The next time we see the memorial statues, Supergirl is missing.  Perhaps the temporal wave spawned by the Crisis took a while to completely affect the 30th Century.

I'll miss the kid. Karl Kesel remembered one overriding fact---there already IS a Kal-El. So the Kid was different from the Superboy we remember in most ways. I'll miss his antics, his overriding,yet all-too-human horniness, and his irresponsiblity. He ws fun.
   
    Still, with the Siegels now owning the Superboy name, this may be the last Superboy we see.---Al

From what I see, disappointing the multiverse apparently isn't coming back (and the "ony one Earth with 847 million heroes living on it" policy is continuing)... granted, the treatment of Kal-L/Alex Luthor/Earth-2 Lois/the Earth-Prime Superboy seems even more disappointing anyway (along with the usual pointless deaths, etc.)...

Pretty funny (and sad) review at Robby Reed's Dial B for Blog

http://www.dialbforblog.com/

spoilers and sarcasm galore.

read it here:

http://www.newsarama.com/forums/showthread.php?s=6cb0a0fbf78ece3979c1328ebc16f781&threadid=65992

I have to agree that was the best issue of the series. Superboy's death was heroic and the scene with Cassie put me to tears(yes, I'm man enough to admit that).

Ditto for me. And SUPERMAN #155 is one of my favorite post-Crisis stories ever.

He did go out, at least, with a hero's death.  

What's this about the Seigel's owning Superboy?

But anyway, I liked the early issues of the Superboy (clone) comic.  Later on I didn't care for the changes.  I suspect a boy of steel one day will return to the DC Universe.

They owned him since 2004! That's two years already. In fact I am sure I made a thread about here two years ago.

Did DC/WB ever try to settle with the Seigels or are the Seigels holding out for a bigger piece of the cut?

If WB is staying true to form, they are most likely completely denying that the Siegels have ever had any right or claim at all and are perpetually appealing and re-appealing everything - thus forcing the Siegels to drag it out in court for so long that they'll never get any money.  Standard big company tactic, and probably the only way that WB can continue to claim any ownership rights on their own side.  They grasp with an iron fist in the fear that they will lose it all.

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This is probably why DC has continued to use Conner and brought back the Superboy of Earth Prime anyway.  I have  question, can DC use the name "Superboy" at all for a different character?

After reading issue #6, I am not so sure DC is headed in the publicized "less dark" direction. Psycho Pirate's death at the hand or fingers of Black Adam was reminiscent of Alan Moore's Kid Miracleman. It was gory and as Power Girl admits unnecessary.  Alex Luthor's finger is amputated by a burst of raw postive matter. That's got to hurt. Finally, Conner saves the new earth, although appears to inadvertantly destroy the multiverse, again. At the end, he's beaten to a bloody pulp by Superboy Prime, who even rips Conner's hand clean off! I guess the heroes will be less grim and gritty but the universe will not be?

Bad enough we're still wallowing in gore, but just to add insult to injury the writers and artists don't even understand the laws of physical nature.  There's no way a pair of eyeballs could be used to push someone's brains out the back of their skull and still retain the shape of eyeballs.  The first thing that would happen is they'd be squished to paste.

This is what happens when you let 30-something hacks with the intellects of 12-year-olds go hog wild in the name of "mature themes."  For all the claims of "sophistication," modern comics are as preposterously goofy as anything fromt he Silver Age, only without anything remotely resembling that period's sense of fun.  What we need is a new rating system; this series would get my NFFDF rating.  Not Fit For Decent Folk.

I don't know if DC's going for more darkness or less in the long run, but sloppy work is sloppy work, period.  Even those members of the audience who get off on gore and bloodshed have got to feel cheated by action scenes that are one step up from the Three Stooges.

I will say one good thing about Infinite Crisis; it's managed to achieve one feat I'd have thought impossible.  It's made the original Crisis look like a good story.

If DC is now calling the new Earth-DC, "New Earth," then that must mean that we're out of the "Iron Age" and into the "New Age"...

That makes the run-down read:

Golden Age  (on "Earth-2")
Flux/Atomic Age
Silver Age
Bronze Age (on "Earth-1")
Iron Age/Dark Age/Modern Age (in the "DCU"/"Earth-0")
New Age (on "New Earth")

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I only liked the second issue, really. Actually, I jumped for joy when I read the the end of the first issue.

It's sad that I agree with the bad guys on this one...the heroes aren't heroic anymore, and they kind of make me sick. The Stupid Death of Conner Kent didn't make him any more heroic to me; he still seems like a pretty flat character. They ruined him when they gave him that stupid T-shirt, gave him names like "Conner Kent" and "Kon-El", and made him Superman and Lex Luthor's baby. He was more interesting as simply a hormone-driven teenager with an ambiguous origin.

I'm hoping to get only one thing out of this...that this whole fiasco has brought Superboy back to Smallville.

more like the Dark Age...

The Dark Age/Iron Age is really coming to an end.

During the Dark Age/ Iron Age, EVERYTHING and EVERYONE was dark and evil with no difference between heroes and villians, even Superman was murdering defendless foes. Batman was a jerk, Hal become a serial Killer, etc.

During this New Age it seems that the Heroes will start acting like real heroes, but the villains will still be dark and evil and do gross and sicking acts.

As long as ONLY the Villains are acting like jerks and are the only ones doing the murdering, I guess it's an improvement, but Heroes if they are real heroes should never act that way, like they did during the Dark Age/Iron Age.

It's hard to say exactly what New Earth will be like.  Hopefully less dark than Earth 0 or whatever it is.
But I wouldn't bet the farm on this.

I don't have a problem with jerk heroes or characters that behave badly - in fact, the Shannon Doherty-esque scheming man-chaser Mantis, and the snotty Leona Helmsley-esque Moondragon are both two of my favorite characters not in spite of, but BECAUSE of their many flaws as people (that, and the fact they had Steve Englehart, arguably the greatest comic book writer that ever lived, characterizing them).

But you are right when you say that villains should be the people that primarily make mischief and heroes should be kept behaving heroically, not because this has a value in and of itself but because that is how they are characterized as being and to write them otherwise would be bad writing.

A lot of people started complaining when Geoff Johns had Gorilla Grodd eat human flesh, but I don't have a problem with this. First, Grodd is a savage, fearsome gorilla, and making him carnivorous is in the Edgar Rice Burroughs pulp tradition. Second, Grodd has been characterized as an amoral rattlesnake ALREADY; the idea that he would eat people isn't exactly the most shocking thing in the world. Destroying the Earth with a mind-suck ray powered by the sword Excalibur is actually a STEP UP from just eating people.

It's a step in the right direction if the DCU is going with "LAW AND ORDER syndrome." Watch the show, you notice that only the bad guys smoke; good guys do not. I feel very sorry for Michael Madsen on the SVU set when he starts to have a nic fit.



I disagree. I thought Conner's end was poignantly written and heroic, especially in light of the fact that Geoff Johns did everything he could to make the character likeable. Geoff Johns does this: make characters likeable and then kill them off shortly after. Superboy's death was something that Supergirl's death (which left me slightly nauseous) failed to do: create a heroic sequence and not have the character die like a dog.

The YOUNG JUSTICE period, where Superboy and his moron buddies were presented as pizza-eating slackers (with Superboy with an origin so labyrinthine it bordered on the mythological) was the absolute nadir of DC Comics in the 1990s, featuring irritating stereotypes of how old guys think kids talk and act. It was like a Bizarro World ENDER'S GAME: Orson Scott Card showed that kids are far, far smarter than adults give them credit for, whereas YOUNG JUSTICE showed them as far, far dumber.

It really says something that Johns was able to get an old school guy like me to like Superboy by having him achieve maturity.

But Gorillas never eat meat of any kind. Yes, I know he is not a normal gorilla, but it's as laughable as vampire Dolphins.

I agree and disagree. OYL titles for the most part are consistent with the statements above. However, I keep looking to the IC "villains" and shake my head. I didn't read the Crisis until about 10 years ago. After reading it, you develop a connection with the characters of what they lost and gained. I find it disheartening the heroes of the original are the antagonists now.

Too much hero to villian to hero action contributes to the "professional wrestling-ization" of comics... 8)

Yeah, That's Marvel's job!

I don't think that he was necessarily written poorly in this issue, just that the character was pretty poor already, and that this didn't improve things much.



And you're enthusiastic about him working on Superman?