Superman Through the Ages! Forum

Does it ever seem to you that the explinations for the destruction of planet Krypton seem a little vauge for the standards of today? Should there be a universally agreed upon reason for its demise?  Maybe its Sun reached the Super-Nova period of a stars lifespan? Or maybe an astroid, similar to the one which many scientists believe was responsible for the extintion of dionasaurs on our planet, collided with Krypton. If this were the case then wouldnt the council which Jor-EL presented his case to have seen that it were obvious he were correct, & that spaceships needed to be built beginning the very day he made that presentation?
    Well, consider the 1st movie. In it we see that at almost the same time that Jor-EL is making his case to the counsil, he is also putting Zod & his cohorts on trial for something that is equally as vauge as what it is that will destroy Krypton, but it is for a crime that must have been as serious as a crime could be, because the punishment seems more unbearable than the death penalty which they have certainly abandonded. It seems that whatever is destroying Krypton is tied-in to Zods trial, that Zod was somehow responsible for what is destroying Krypton.
      Now the counsill agrees that Zod definately deserves this horrible punishment, but they dont believe that Krypton is doomed. Why? And why is it that Jor-EL CAN see the danger? We are told that Zods crimes were to somehow take-over Krypton, become its ruler. The counsil takes this threat seriously but laughs at Jor-ELs theory that Kryptons days are numbered. Maybe a astroid is heading for collision thru unnatural means, means which were engineered by Zod to blackmail Jor-EL.
        Imagine if our own sun were about to die, to super-nova, & that nothing could change it. It doesnt seem out of the question that someone might TRY to develope a way to at least TRY to find a planet where he/she could survive. & Krypton was far ahead of us  (perhaps by the time we become that advance our sun WILL be close to its death) & the debris left by our sun would eventually find itself orbiting some other star, maybe developing into life supporting planets where the space-craft, whose cargo is in suspended animation, might one day touch down upon.
     Maybe the Earth is the remnant of Kryptons red sun, & Kal-EL was in his space ship, in stasus, for 4 billion +  years, when he finally made his way to a planet which was once his own sun. Maybe this is also perhaps partly responsible for his limitless powers. Maybe this is all a load of Bull****.Maybe one day I will learn to spell counsel.    Hey, chek out the new "All star Superman"  for me its the best comic book in a long time.

I once had this wild theory that Darkseid blew up the planet in order to thwart the Guardians' breeding plan of an "ultimate GL (http://superman.nu/tales2/greatestGL/)" from coming to fruition.

Darkseid didn't want to to have to go up against what such a future GLC would be like, so he thought he'd just avoid the problem.  He didn't bother to find out that Jor-El thwarted his plan.

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That sounds too much like the plot of Dragon Ball Z for my taste.  :oops:

Which?  My theory or Doug's?

I never saw Dragon Ball Z...

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Funny trying to find a review of the film which isn't filled with spelling and grammer errors was not so easy ;)

here is one that is fair enough and he saw the parallels as well:

http://www.geocities.com/d-patanella/bardock.html


Anyway, this type of story is pretty common in mythology

In Egypt,

Set, one of the most powerful and somehwat evil god (he has a few good traits too) knew that Orisis's son would one day kill him, so he kills Orisis before he can even have a son. Not just kill him for he went EC Comics on him ;)

Orisis's wife Isis finds his um, piece in the river and takes it and empowers in with cosmic powers and becomes pregnant with it. Fearing that Set would kill that baby if he saw it, she places baby named Horus in a basket and sends it down the Nile river. It is found by a loving couple and they adopt it as their own. Isis disguises herself as a human woman and becomes Horus's babysitter. She baths him in magical fire every night to make he more and more powerful (this is where the term Baptism of Fire comes from). Ultimately, Horus gains super powers, however Isis is caught bathing him in fire and is erm well fired for trying "kill" the baby.

Horus leaves his home and goes to an island where he trains hoping that someday he will avenge his father's death at the hands of Set. He leaves the island once his training is complete, while still a teenager, and challenges Set to a fight to the death, Set not knowing that he is Orisis's son, laughs at punk kid and they do battle, and Set is killed. The End.

A passage from the Coffin Texts (passage 148) sums up Horus in his own words:

"I am Horus, the great Falcon upon the ramparts of the house of him of the hidden name. My flight has reached the horizon. I have passed by the gods of Nut. I have gone further than the gods of old. Even the most ancient bird could not equal my very first flight. I have removed my place beyond the powers of Set, the foe of my father Osiris. No other god could do what I have done. I have brought the ways of eternity to the twilight of the morning. I am unique in my flight. My wrath will be turned against the enemy of my father Osiris and I will put him beneath my feet in my name of 'Red Cloak'."

Yes, Super-Monkey, after almost 5,000 years of Mythology, you can find parallels in just about everything. I am honestly not familiar with Dragonball, & I dont think Rao had considered it either, we are all too aware that just about every story out there is known by SOMEONE on this fourm to try to get away with that. Besides, the fun part of reading these stories is letting them "inspire" our own imaginaginations. If you do wish to talk about plagerisim though, lets consider how many times Marvel re-did both "Terminator" & "Alien" in the "X-men" title back in the 1980s. & wasnt Marvels "Spider-man secret wars" pretty much a carbon copy of "Green Lantern corps" & all the similar worlds/dimensions? The fact is, Marvel re-did just about every idea DC came up with, & then had the nerve to brand them "Brand Echhh"!Marvel was in the midst of having Jack Kirby At his absolute peak, but still felt compelled to do that. Completely petty. It was Fantastic Four #25, "Hulk vs Thing", that initally got me into comics. But By constantly refering to their competition as "Brand Echhh" you had to believe their was something special going on over there that Marvel feared, & rightly so. They feared "Superman" & "Green Lantern". If you look back carefully thats where the wealth of inspiration was coming from. Marvel had "Spider-Man", but only as long as Ditko plotted & drew it (4 years) "Spider-man has been living off that 4 years since 1966, amazing! Well I got news, Steve aint coming back, & even if he did (Could) it wouldnt be the same. Marvel has followed the lead of DC since its inception (1939). ONLY ONE TIME did DC concede to Marvel, in 1970 when they got Kirby away from Marvel, & they did that by promising him what he really had always wanted; final controll on his comics - the ability to do his thing. And for maybe 3 years some of the finest comics ever done were done by Kirby at DC!4 titles, all neatly (sometimes not so neatly) tied together.Those were the days my friend!(By the way, didnt Kirby create the whole "Star Wars" franchise then, getting back to plagerisim?what with Orion being the son of 'Darksied', Scott Free too?Kirby should have sued based on the likness between 'Darksied' & 'Darth Vader'!)They were also the end of those times, either because I myself was turning my back on comics for a period, I was 12 & felt, wrongly so, a need to outgrow them. or because comics were going thru transition & wouldnt get back on their feet till 1979, or both of these things - that was probably the case. 1979!, "Superman hit the theaters & Frank Miller began his run on "Daredevil"! What a time. It will happen again, it has to.

I think that John Romita Sr.could disagree with you :wink:

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I did a little searching on Dragon Ball Z and just had to share this one:

http://images.countingdown.com/images/countdowns/movies/30919/1011/3260132_main.jpg

Was there an actual live-action movie; or is this just an enthusiastic fan?

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I have no idea, I stop watching in the mid 90's, and yes that was before it was shown on US TV.

I don't care too much about it anymore, It was funny and fun at the time, but they tried to make it more serious for the US Market and that turn me off.

Sword of Superman, I dont know where you were when issue #39 of Spider-man came out, but let me tell you something, although Marvel tried to cover it up by posting ONLY fan-mail that was positive, EVERYONE I knew who read the strip swore they were gonna give it up. The book got bigger, I know, but, reputedly it lost 80% of its originall fanbase.It was like replacing the most inventive form of superhero comicbook storytelling with a soap Opera!Peter Parker went from the geek everyone knew & loved to the actor on a "Pepsodent" commercial! Even Romita will admit this, & Stan Lee still says that no ones style suited a comic as did Ditkos style suit "Spiderman". It was as if the Beatles had lost Paul McCartney & Ringo both.
Maybe Romita Sr COULD disagree with me, but he doesnt disagree with me, he believes the same thing, if you believe him. His 'Spider-man' resembled 'Millie The Model" more than anything else at the time. It was like Culture Shock . But I know what you mean, Marvel has done more than simply rip- Off DC, I got carried away(the 'Brand echhh' thing still lingers in my memory).But, let me say, as far as technechally proficiant artists go, Romita is at the top of the list, John Buscema too. But they lack something that Kirby & Ditko had in spades, Joe Shuster too. & while we are at it, Carl Barks, Elsie Chrysler Seegar, & for my money, Frank Miller. There are others, but this is my list right now, give me a cup of coffee & I would probably kick myself for not remembering a few more key names.

Rao, where did you get that pic of the S-monkey?  (I hope hes laughing)

One of my favorite theories for the destruction of Krypton is that Krypton's core was made of Uranium, and thus when it started to break down, the entire planet went up like an atomic bomb.

There's something so very, well, 1950s about this idea that it just wins me over.

Captain Kal and I had several conversations on this forum about this idea. For instance, if Krypton had a uranium core, why wouldn't the radiation kill all  life? Until it was remembered that GOLD was the most common element on Krypton's crust; gold, like lead, is a good shielding from radiation.

assume, (going back to the 1st posting from this topic), that indeed Krypton was destroyed due to a Super-Nova of its Sun.When then, in its history, did the city of Kandor dissapear? Are there any stories which take place on Krypton that speak of this city that used to be?
 Imagine that Braniac, that city stealing android, was created by some race,or some very highly evolved beings, to keep watch over the universe for stars that are reaching the point of super-nova, & when finding them, travels to them searching for possible life supporting planets in the dying Suns orbit, & if finding one, shrinking one of its cities (which would soon have been extint had he not come along). Shrinking it & taking it as we know happened to Kandor.(Maybe Kandor was taken very shortly before Krypton was destroyed - BECAUSE it was about to be destroyed)
   Now imagine a solar system with maybe 20 planets of many size. This solar system being the fruit of the entire galazy. On its 20 planets sit, side by side, cities from every planet that has so far existed in the Milky Way. This solar system is Brainiacs true 'purpose'.He (they)
tends it like a farmer does his fields. In this Solar System would be found the history of every planet that has ever existed & died, one day our history would be found there too, along with our decendants.    
    It would probably take a host of Brainiacs to do this.  one day when whatever star these planets revolved around was about to die itself this host of androids  would have prepared by finding a suitably younger solar system to move all cities to. The cities that had originally formed on large planets would be placed on planets as close in size as possible.Perhaps they would have a means to "plant' the suitable atmospheres needed for the different cities.
   Yes, a city from every planet that has so far existed would be found there. Except there would be no city from Krypton. If some visitor came upon this wondorus solar system, some visitor from some far-off galaxy, or some life form we cant even imagine,(possibly the very beings who created these "Brainiacs") this visitor would learn of every civilation that the milky way gave birth to except Krypton.Not unless Superman found the nature of Brainic & took Kandor there himself.Perhaps 'Brainiac became 'evil' when Kandor was taken from him, & he is programmed to resort to any means to get it back.
  (bear in mind this is simply a daydream) But What IS the ultimate destiny for life, simply to die-out when our sun becomes too old, leaving no record that we ever existed, except in heaven, where as angels we reminiss about the good old days?