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Superman Comic Books! => Infinite Crossover! => Topic started by: Michel Weisnor on June 25, 2006, 06:57:37 PM



Title: Post-IConfusing
Post by: Michel Weisnor on June 25, 2006, 06:57:37 PM
So, post-infinite crisis universe, you know the darker place, is a multiple timeline earth where all past stories are relevant. How is this mess more approachable to new readers?


Title: Re: Post-IConfusing
Post by: MatterEaterLad on June 25, 2006, 07:02:24 PM
Oh, it probably isn't...but I never thought that simplification was a real goal anyways, DC just wants to do "event" series, and maybe, given the current state of comics sales, its possibly an OK business decision...

Doesn't intrigue me though...


Title: Re: Post-IConfusing
Post by: DoctorZero on June 25, 2006, 07:46:07 PM
Now they no longer have to explain away all the other stories they did with various timelines/universes or whatever.

Confusing yes.  Easier for DC, yes.


Title: Re: Post-IConfusing
Post by: Great Rao on June 25, 2006, 11:11:04 PM
Quote from: "Invader ZIM"
So, post-infinite crisis universe, you know the darker place, is a multiple timeline earth where all past stories are relevant.

Wait - is that true?  I read Infinite Crisis, but I don't remember whether it ended with a multiverse or a universe. I swear it didn't use to be this confusing, neither pre-Crisis nor post-Crisis.

:s:


Title: Re: Post-IConfusing
Post by: Permanus on June 26, 2006, 01:49:27 AM
I read the last two issues and didn't understand anything. Mind you, the fact that I skipped through most of the dialogue probably didn't help. Now I'm having a crack at 52, which has a backup feature that is supposed to explain everything, but I can't concentrate on the text there either.


Title: Re: Post-IConfusing
Post by: Michel Weisnor on June 26, 2006, 09:50:13 AM
Wouldn't it have been simpler just to bring back the multiverse?


Another thing, I understand the concept of 52: to sell more drivel, but why would Superman, Batman, and Wonder Woman vacation when they're most needed? They must remember CoIE and all the universes erased. Not to mention, the heroes lost and defamed in IC are still fresh in memory. Why wouldn't Didio's trinity gather the superheroes and save the day?


Title: Re: Post-IConfusing
Post by: ShinDangaioh on June 26, 2006, 10:30:00 AM
IMPO Didio is a serial killer of DC characters.  Removing the Trinity allows Didio to kill off more characters in 52, while shoving more darkness down people's throats.

The rumors now: Ralph Dibny the Elongated Man commits suicide and Booster Gold is killed.


Title: Re: Post-IConfusing
Post by: nightwing on June 26, 2006, 10:54:57 AM
I thought what he was saying is that no, there isn't a Multiverse, but now at least there once WAS one.  Thus whereas after the first "Crisis" all the Earth-2 characters were retroactively shoe-horned into "Earth-One" continuity (so that, for instance, Superman's costume was influenced by Pa Kent's memories of the JSA), I gather that after this LATEST Crisis, the "Earth-Two" back stories were restored up to a certain point.  So that now the older members of the JSA had their early careers on a parallel Earth before ending up on this one.

I agree this makes things as confusing as they ever were prior to 1986, with the added downer that we can't get any new adventures on the other Earths.  They, with all their wonders, have gone, but all their baggage is retained to clutter up the DCU.

What difference does it make?  Despite Dildo's promises, I'll bet good money this "new order" will be out the window within 5 years anyway, and probably a lot sooner.  They oughtta just stop fighting it and issue a monthly Power Girl comic where every issue features a different origin.


Title: Re: Post-IConfusing
Post by: MatterEaterLad on June 26, 2006, 02:17:46 PM
Even if DC wanted to create a multiverse again, what a nightmare that would be, do all the characters go back to their home universe?  The last 20 years would really have to be a "dream" sequence a la "Newhart"...


Title: Re: Post-IConfusing
Post by: Michel Weisnor on June 26, 2006, 04:49:37 PM
Quote from: "MatterEaterLad"
Even if DC wanted to create a multiverse again, what a nightmare that would be, do all the characters go back to their home universe?  The last 20 years would really have to be a "dream" sequence a la "Newhart"...


How about the last 20 years plus is just another earth.  :wink:


Title: Re: Post-IConfusing
Post by: ShinDangaioh on June 26, 2006, 05:17:15 PM
I just recalled something, Infinite Crisis did do something.

All Elseworlds and Tangent comics have now been folded into the current reality and no longer exist.  

Didio bluntly stated that Elseworlds are a thing of the past.


Title: Re: Post-IConfusing
Post by: broonum on July 01, 2006, 10:57:46 PM
i find this stuff to be so utterly confusing and so utterly POINTLESS!
all-star superman is the best dc title imo
i hope the ten-part (!) history of the dcu, supplemental to 52, will clear things up for me


Title: Re: Post-IConfusing
Post by: Great Rao on July 01, 2006, 11:36:36 PM
Quote from: "broonum"
i find this stuff to be so utterly confusing and so utterly POINTLESS!

It was created for people who need to have a reason for changes from the old continuity to the new continuity.  Since I have no interest in the old continuity, I am completely ignoring it and just jumping on board the new continuity.

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all-star superman is the best dc title imo

Mine too, but I also enjoy the two other Super titles.

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i hope the ten-part (!) history of the dcu, supplemental to 52, will clear things up for me


Given what I've heard about it, I think it'll be just as pointless as IC and 52 were.

:s:


Title: Re: Post-IConfusing
Post by: Uncle Mxy on July 03, 2006, 01:22:34 PM
Quote from: "nightwing"
They oughtta just stop fighting it and issue a monthly Power Girl comic where every issue features a different origin.

I heard a rumor that Power Girl stored new origin stories in her bra.