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Title: Cover to JLA #1 and line-up revealed! (spoilers)
Post by: BMK! on August 22, 2006, 12:10:24 AM
http://www.comicboards.com/jla/attachments/060821043826/justiceleagueofamerica1.jpg


Title: Re: Cover to JLA #1 and line-up revealed! (spoilers)
Post by: Permanus on August 22, 2006, 02:43:27 AM
Nothing's showing up - or is that just me?


Title: Re: Cover to JLA #1 and line-up revealed! (spoilers)
Post by: Genis Vell on August 22, 2006, 04:04:44 AM
I miss the Flash.
Glad to see Hal Jordan, Superman, Batman and Black Canary, though.  Oh, yes, and Red Tornado.


Title: Re: Cover to JLA #1 and line-up revealed! (spoilers)
Post by: JulianPerez on August 22, 2006, 05:36:06 AM
Quote from: "Permanus"
Nothing's showing up - or is that just me?


No, it isn't just you - it doesn't allow remote hotlinking. Though I was able to find it somewhere else. For those that can't see the image, the new JLA roster is:

Superman
Batman
Wonder Woman
Green Lantern (Hal Jordan)
Black Canary
Red Tornado
Hawkgirl
Vixen
Black Lightning
Arsenal


To be honest, I was hoping for a little more Sattellite-era League, though the presence of the extraordinary Red Tornado and Hawkwoman are very welcome. Red Tornado is a character that during some parts of Gerry Conway got a few interesting stories that didn't go far, involving him acquiring a human identity, and it would be interesting to see these threads picked up at some point.

The Vision is easily one of the most stalwart of all Avengers; however, though he and his DC equivalent Red Tornado were introduced around the same time, Red Tornado never got as much to do as the Vision did.

I am DEEPLY disappointed that Zatanna and Elongated Man have been left off. The team won't be the same without you guys!

I do like very much they aren't just having Ollie and Dinah together; that dynamic is played out. Roy Harper and Black Canary on the other hand, now that's something totally different, a choice of Englehartian proportions!

I also like that John Jones has been left off. Not because I don't like the guy (his sensitive, stick-in-the-mud personality under Busiek's tragically brief run was the best of the character we've seen in a long time) but because I suppose Martian Manhunter has come to be seen as having a slot in any JLA roster in recent times by Divine Right, and really that isn't so.

One concern I have is that with the presence of Vixen, Arsenal and Canary the League is "agile costumed athlete" heavy, which makes the team feel more like the Avengers than JLA.


Title: Re: Cover to JLA #1 and line-up revealed! (spoilers)
Post by: Permanus on August 22, 2006, 05:44:58 AM
Black Lightning's in? Hey, good!


Title: Re: Cover to JLA #1 and line-up revealed! (spoilers)
Post by: Great Rao on August 22, 2006, 03:49:26 PM
You can see the cover image at the article itself:

http://www.comicboards.com/jla/view.php?trd=060821043826

Hit 'reload' if it still doesn't come up.

:s:


Title: Re: Cover to JLA #1 and line-up revealed! (spoilers)
Post by: Super Monkey on August 22, 2006, 06:32:31 PM
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the new JLA roster is:

Superman
Batman
Wonder Woman


No suprise here as these are the big three at DC.

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Green Lantern (Hal Jordan)


It does feel good reading that, huh?

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Black Canary


More old school goodness.

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Red Tornado


I don't know too much about him other than he looks cool.

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Hawkgirl


I am pretty sure the cartoon led to this

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Vixen


 :?:  :?:  :?:  No clue as to who this is

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Black Lightning


The same one from Superfriends?!?  :P

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Arsenal


 :?:  :?:  :?: No clue as to who this is





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Title: Re: Cover to JLA #1 and line-up revealed! (spoilers)
Post by: Uncle Mxy on August 22, 2006, 08:14:37 PM
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Black Lightning


The same one from Superfriends?!?  :P

No, the one from Static Shock.  :)


Title: Re: Cover to JLA #1 and line-up revealed! (spoilers)
Post by: Super Monkey on August 22, 2006, 08:34:16 PM
oh... what?!?

Anyway, the other guy is Black Vulcan, whatever happen to him, or DC doesn't own him?

Who owns him, WB?

But, WB owns DC.

so... you know, ....

READ THIS:

In the seventies, when you were black, your super hero name needed to remind us. If Captain America was black, he wouldn't have been a captain. They would have called him Blackman America and he would have only fought crime in discos. Black Manta was just "Manta" for a few seasons before the writers found out the guy in the middle of the submarine wreckage was black.

The white Super Friends all had names that described their powers. Aquaman, Batman, Hawkman, Flash... you kind of had an idea what their powers were even before they announced them outloud every time they used them. But anyone ethnic got named after the country they're from or what color they were. If Apache Chief was white, he'd be Grow Man or Large Lad. And Samurai? He wasn't a Samurai. That doesn't mean anything, it's just the only Japanese word they knew. It's like naming Batman "Cowboy" or naming Green Lantern "Baseball Player." They named the Mexican Super Friend "El Dorado." That was a city made out gold. Yeah, it sounds Mexican, but it's nonsense. If the Super Friends hired a Swiss guy, you know they'd name him Hot Chocolate. If a black guy hadn't already taken it, of course.

NOW READ THE REST: http://www.seanbaby.com/superfriends/bvulcan.htm


Title: Re: Cover to JLA #1 and line-up revealed! (spoilers)
Post by: Michel Weisnor on August 22, 2006, 08:54:19 PM
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Vixen


 :?:  :?:  :?:  No clue as to who this is

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Arsenal


 :?:  :?:  :?: No clue as to who this is
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Vixen's comic appearances were as a member of the JLE (or I) and Ostrander's Suicide Squad. Again, taking a nod from Justice League Unlimited cartoon, she returns to the JL lineup.

Arsenal is the 90's name of Speedy, Green Arrow's sidekick. I don't know which writer cleverly called him Arsenal but I guess it's better than Speedy.


Title: Re: Cover to JLA #1 and line-up revealed! (spoilers)
Post by: Johnny Nevada on August 22, 2006, 11:10:17 PM
IIRC, Vixen was introduced during the "Justice League Detroit" era, as one of the newcomer members (along with the likes of Gypsy and Vibe).

Black Manta was *always* known as "Black Manta" since his comic book introduction in the 60's; it was a late 70's story (IIRC the one with the death of Aquababy) that revealed he was African-American.

Arsenal is Speedy's 90's-given name, as noted above. Though from that cover, it looks like he's been popping steroids like candy or something... :-p


Title: Re: Cover to JLA #1 and line-up revealed! (spoilers)
Post by: JulianPerez on August 23, 2006, 12:17:57 AM
Quote from: "SuperMonkey"
It does feel good reading that, huh?


While I'm a big Silver Age Hal Jordan fan, I rather liked that Kurt Busiek during his run used John Stewart as the League's Green Lantern. Because there was a point that at any given time you could read about all four of the earthling Green Lanterns: Hal Jordan was in GREEN LANTERN, John was in JLA, Kyle Rayner was getting his own book, and Guy was in that (gag) Giffen tribute book.

Though strange that they'd have Hal and not his best pal Arrow. Those two had chemistry!

Quote from: "SuperMonkey"
I don't know too much about him other than he looks cool.


He does look cool, doesn't he? Dick Dillin did some good work with the character, though I like his later yellow-and-red redesign better than the purple underwear version. Red Tornado was one of the last creations of Gardner Fox in the Summer of 1968 JLA/JSA Team-Up, before Fox left JUSTICE LEAGUE in 1968, replaced by some obscure little wunderkind named Dennis O'Neil.

Red Tornado was an android built by T.O. Morrow - he actually has inside of him a tornado elemental, and if you bang him up too badly (as happened in the Busiek JLA) the tornado busts loose!

Red Tornado has the usual android problems: trying to fit in, alienation, and a desire to learn about humanity. Some have said he (along with Karate Kid) are among the first DC characters to really have a distinctive personality. He also has a human identity,

Quote from: "SuperMonkey"
I am pretty sure the cartoon led to this  


I doubt it. Remember, Meltzer has said that his favorite period in League history is the Sattellite Era (who can blame him? :D ) and the person that introduced Hawkgirl into the League was Steve Englehart back in his brief, extraordinary run in 1977. Also, Hawkgirl was a leaguer without her hubby as far back as Conway's JLA #176 (1980).

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No clue as to who this is  


Vixen certainly is deserving of a historical footnote, as she was the first black member of the Justice League!

I can understand why you don't remember the character; she was introduced in the latter age of the Gerry Conway sattellite era, a thoroughly unremarkable period (and one that was followed by the "Aquaman and the Outsiders" League period, which somehow felt worse). She was not a member during very interesting times. Still, she's a pretty girl, and she has pretty decent powers (animal mimickry), so it's rather cool of an idea to have her on the team.

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Black Lightning


Fun fact: Black Lightning was the first person to TURN DOWN Justice League membership all the way back in the late seventies/early eighties.

I guess he's had time to think it over and has changed his mind. A good choice - the character is pretty interesting.


Title: Re: Cover to JLA #1 and line-up revealed! (spoilers)
Post by: MatterEaterLad on August 23, 2006, 12:35:25 AM
I'm recently finding Black Lightning interesting not because I remember him (that was a good 6 or 7 year after I stopped following comics) but because of the Static Shock parallels, his second wave of aggression against the 100 (I think it would be interesting to see how the 100 and Intergang split up the same turf) and becaue many of his short-lived books took place in Metropolis and had Superman characters in them (Clark at WGBS, Inspector Henderson, Jimmy Olsen, etc)...


Title: Re: Cover to JLA #1 and line-up revealed! (spoilers)
Post by: MatterEaterLad on August 23, 2006, 12:39:49 AM
The Red Tornado, I don't agree is really that nuanced, I remember reading his JLA/JSA stories when they came out and his wailing about not fitting in didn't ring that genuine and he was often duped into performing a mechanized role, like being a cosmic "tuning fork" between Earth 1 and Earth 2...


Title: Re: Cover to JLA #1 and line-up revealed! (spoilers)
Post by: Uncle Mxy on August 23, 2006, 07:24:18 AM
The reason for Black Vulcan in the Superfriends was because of rights contention between Tony Isabella (creator of Black Lightning) and DC.  Canonical irreverent information about Black Vulcan can be found at:
http://seanbaby.com/superfriends/bvulcan.htm

Despite my little joke, Static Shock is indeed independent of Black Lightning.  McDuffie actually had tried to use Black Lightning in Static Shock, but was rejected (likely because DC would've had to send more money to Isabella).


Title: Re: Cover to JLA #1 and line-up revealed! (spoilers)
Post by: DBN on August 23, 2006, 06:34:20 PM
JLA #1 Spoiler












Red Tornado is no longer an android.


Title: Re: Cover to JLA #1 and line-up revealed! (spoilers)
Post by: Johnny Nevada on August 23, 2006, 10:02:54 PM
IIRC, Metamorpho was the first person to turn down JLA membership, back in the sixties.


Title: Re: Cover to JLA #1 and line-up revealed! (spoilers)
Post by: MatterEaterLad on August 23, 2006, 10:26:54 PM
Yep, a 1966 story, the title is even "Metamorpho Says No!"... 8)