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Thanks for having these stories on-line....

You know, for a story written in the late 1940's, this one was very character driven and REALLY pivotal.  It was pretty daring, since the whole motivation behind Batman was to find his parents killer and bring him to justice.  It wasn't the run-of-the-mill story of the day... it was grim and Batman's emotions came into play big time. 

Revealing his secret identity to Chill was also a big risk and something I don't think anyone thought Batman would ever do, but it worked.  A very emotional thing to do and had a big impact on me.  Then Batman telling Chill that no matter what he does.. no matter where he goes, Batman will be watching him.  THAT brings out Batman's obsession REALLY well and in those few panels, delivers what the writers today, for the most part, can't even come close to.

Of course, the fact that the creators of Batman tackled this had a big hand in it.... even the panel that showed in flashback the Batman in costume for the first time tied in the "bat-wing" look of the earliest Batman stories.

Why can't they do them like this anymore?

It's certainly a rather emotional story, isn't it? Last year, when I was playing the online superhero game City of Heroes, I sometimes used the line "I am the son of the man you murdered" as my battlecry. There's a weird change of pace in the last three pages that's almost uncomfortable: Bruce has been taking his time, and all of a sudden he is vengeful and apparently doesn't care about the consequences of his unmasking. Eerie.

This sort of display of emotion is a bit unusual in comics of the time, but not unheard of; a late 1940s reiteration of Superman's origin shows him crying in a big splash panel. One tends to think of Golden Age comics as being very pragmatic and story-driven, but now and then one gets the odd bit of character. Many of the Spirit stories of the same time are quite full of pain and sentiment. Michael Chabon caught the emotional investment in superhero comics flawlessly in his novel The Amazing Adventures of Kavalier and Clay - by its very nature, the superhero genre contains all sorts of repressed emotion, which is bound to surface every now and then.

Yes, the ending seemed rushed, but as I see it, Batman's plans kept backfiring, so he had to push it even more, thus exposing his ID...

I REALLY loved this story and it was incorporated years later into the "Untold Legend of Batman" mini-series... very faithfully recreating certain panels, too

Yeah, I meant that the change of pace really works in this context - it adds to the emotional impact. It's interesting that even back then, in arguably more savage times, Batman has no intention of killing Chill; he's still talking about bringing him to justice. (If this were a Warren Ellis Punisher story, the last three pages would be about 12 Interesting Ways of Torturing a Man to Death.)

Yes, it's cool that Batman is as competent and in control as usual until the end, when he loses it.  This is much more effective than having him fly off the handle in a fit of rage every month (or page) as he has in recent years. 

It's interesting to consider what would have happened if Chill hadn't been killed.  With his identity exposed, Batman's career would have been ended, and as Permanus says, he doesn't seem to care.  One wonders if he'd have been content to witness Chill's final moments in the electric chair and then simply hang up the cape and cowl for a more normal life.  Or if, as might be more likely, "Bruce Wayne" would have to die as Batman took over 24/7.

As it stands, I prefer believing Bruce is motivated not by his search for his parents' killer, but by a determination not to have anyone else experience what he did.  The Joe Chills of the world are a dime a dozen...it's Bruce's job to see that no other child, or husband, or wife, is left sobbing in the street over the bodies of murdered loved ones.  That's why Tim Burton's 1989 film frosts me; making the Joker the killer and Bruce's career nothing more than a quest for revenge cheapens the legend and turns the whole thing into a poor man's "Death Wish."   Batman ought to be about something bigger than revenge.

There was a follow-up story to this one, where Batman tracks down Lew Moxon, the gangster who paid Chill to kill the Waynes in the first place.  That story, and this one, are among my favorite Bat-tales of all time.

The Lew Moxon story "The First Batman" also ties in really well... it tells of Thomas Wayne going to a costume party dressed in a Batman costume.  Moxon arranged for Wayne to be killed and hired Chill to do it.

These character driven stories were rare for the time and in retrospect a very welcome change.  Also of merit are the Catwoman tales of the time, which show the forbidden attraction between Batman and Catwoman (opposite sides of the law).  I'm re-reading Greatest Batman Stories vol 2 and the 1950's era Cat stories are OUTSTANDING character tales, especially compared to the drivel stories of the Penquin surrounding them.

I love those two "confronting the killers" stories as well.  Some of the earliest Batman stories I remember after the Big Little book I had as a kid featuring The Cheetah.

I have an 80-page giant (Batman 208) that has great stories about Batman's "girlfriends" and concludes with kindly old aunt-figure Mrs Chilton who confesses she is the mother of the Chill brothers.  Was this ever dealt with later?  Is it still canon?

Telle, you should know by now... NOTHING is canon anymore!!!!

Well, maybe it will be next week....

But it hasn't explicity been ruled out or retconned?

(I guess Joe Chill hasn't been mentioned for decades...)

Jo Chill was a minor figure in that new "Batman Begins" movie.  

And forget about Lew Moxon who masterminded the killing.

It's funny how Batman kept digging up more and more guilty parties.  I'm sure there was someone behind Lew Moxon.  It probably ends with Stalin or someone in the State Dept.

They threw Lew Moxon back into the Batman books when Ed Brubaker wrote Batman.

And I can't help but love this story as well.  It's one of those primal ideas that works no matter what era you tell it in.  I especially liked the re-telling in Untold Legends of the Batman, a mini-series published in 1981 that I first read when I sent in for the reprints that the Batman cereal offered in 1989.

The cereal sucked, but the series was quite good.