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Is Earth Two Superman really dead? Does anybody really think he is dead?
There have been hints that he isn't dead.
I didn't really like how he died. Crummy way to kill a good hero if you ask me.

Thoughts?

Is any comic book character ever really dead?

nope supermonkey, cuz they are never alive (cosmic mannn) and also because the only character that dc keeps dead is the Flash. i (like many) didnt really like his death or his whole part in infinite crisis, how he was duped and all.. i wish they stayed with Kal-Ls death as it was written in the "crisis on infinite earths" novelisation, it was pretty much the same as the original series, except rather than the whole choppy "alex finds another universe and carries a lois in his belly" thing Kal-L just dies and meets up with Lois in the afterlife...

... i mean if we kept with THAT ending, attempts at bringing him back would be less likely right? right???

Ahem.

Actually Dan Dildo let it slip last week that Barry will be back later this year in "Countdown."

 :P

I keep doing double takes with this "Countdown" business. It's the title of a popular TV game show here in Britain, so finding out that the Flash is going to appear on it causes a split second of doubt in which I wonder if I'm still asleep or something.

http://www.newsarama.com/dcnew/JSA/JSA01_final.jpg

According to Geoff Johns, the third panel is not a dream or hoax. In an interview, Johns hinted at an off panel member snapping JSoA #1 as a group photograph.

http://comics.org/coverview.lasso?id=328190&zoom=4

I'd like to believe this member is Kal-L.

 

Another cool use for the power of flight; awesome bird's eye shots for your photo albums. :)

wow barry flash back from the dead?? ok so he has made ample post crisis apperances though the loophole marv left him but... to actually state that yes he is back drinking coffie back...

death has no meaning in comics at all now does it??

*as allways, hides in the reprint section*

Barry has been living on an alternate Earth with Wally (and his family) and an alternate Jay Garrick.

The rumors, apparently, are that this "alternate world" is the Pre-Crisis Earth 2, or a version of it where the Crisis never happened (and it's still the 80s).

Sounds like a place I'd like to live myself.  Well, except for the 80s part.  :D

In JSA#1 they gave us the hope that he will coming back from the dead..

I am beginning to believe, DC created a new multiverse from pieces of the old with some additions. While "Earth-2" was spoiled back in Justice League of America #0, the Wildstorm Universe was definitely added via Ion and Uncle Sam and the Freedom Fighters perhaps is another New Earth. USatFF #8 discusses Shadow Demons and what is to come, probably another big event. I am unsure if this series is set in the current DCU. Of course, I am not sure any series is set in one universe or continuity. For all we know, Superman and Action Comics take place on different earths.     

All I know is they better bring Earth 2 Superman back.  They gave us a teaser when they brought him back in IC.

Then they killed him?

What?

The Earth-2 Superman would make a great addition to the JSA. He could easily be brought back, too. All DC needs to do is say he was in a coma; New Earth scientists would know little about an Earth-2 Kryptonian's DNA, even Power Girl's was constantly changing.

Personally, I'd like to see an alternate Earth-Prime, one where the Crisis never happened. You could either have an adult Superboy-Prime in the present, or a Superboy-Prime just starting out. If it's the former, you could have this Superboy-Prime meet the current Legion...or his other self. Kurt Busiek would be a good writer for this series (if the idea still interested him).

I'd rather the Earth-2 Superman stay dead so we can move onward.

i agree with vic, no ones saying that E-2 superman wasnt a great character, and yeah his ending was kind of lousy, but id like to see him become more like Barry Allen  was before Infinite Crisis (a dead as dead martyr hero, with some reappeances because lets face it they will happen, but nothing major)

Kal-L had better come back, he was the better of the Supermen.

And Wally West was the best Flash

I hope no! Superman of earth-2 is the true,original Superman.                                                                                                   (http://img182.imageshack.us/img182/6684/earth2apf6.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)

"It never ends for people like us." (Kingdom Come Superman, Justice Society of America#1)

He's as dead as anyone ever is in comics.

Which is to say, not at all.

I think an interesting angle would be for some sort of god-like entity to intervene and say that Kal-L is his Herald (similar to Silver Surfer with Galactus), and that, while he is indeed dead, he can and will return at times when the heroes of the Universe need his help. That would be more dignified than just being dead, but coming back every now and then.

Rao?

Well, now that Earth-2 is back, soon he will return as well.

Too much money to be made.. er... fan support to let him be dead for good.

turn the original superman into a rip off of the silver surfer?

Kal-L should stay his own man, fighting for truth justice and the (sigh) american way. otherwise we would loose who superman actually is, it would be like teh whole "Hal Jordan- Spectre" thing again

Ok, if no one writes a story about a character for say 30 years, is that character dead or just standing very still?

Standing very very still  ;D

Will E-2 Superman come back from the dead? Of course!!! Circle September 5th on your calendar. That is when I'm banking E-2 Superman joins New Earth's Justice Society of America, in issue #9...........52  :D

Finally!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Although he's no Golden Age Supes - he's still got the time period.  I can't wait for some really nifty Superman stories coming from this.

Why the JSA of new Earth and not the JSA of Earth-2 ????? We will have two Superman on New Earth? Is silly. ???

Earth-2 Superman is more handsome!

Guessing the person above made the guess of New Earth's JSA, since the New Earth JSA has their own comic... but yeah, does sound silly for him to not go back "home" to Earth-2. Then again, a 52-part, 52-week storyline as a followup to *another* 52-part, 52-week storyline also sounds silly. :-p

E-2 Superman will return to New Earth because that's where he was buried.

Remember Kal-L, Lois Lane, and Power Girl are missing on E-2.

http://wizarduniverse.com/_images_/004448/earth2.jpg

The Countdown continues...  :o ::) :D

You know, looking at the panel of the new Earth 2... I like the slightly different costumes (except for the Flash) but it would be better, in my opinion, if that JSA was younger.  I know Robin and Huntress are adults, but I'm hoping the older JSA-ers didn't get their start in WW II.  Maybe if they started "30 years ago" it would keep them "just older enough"

I know it's a weekly book and all, but that artwork is really crappy.

...and they're presumably "missing" since two of 'em are dead and buried on New Earth? Unless there's *two* "Earth-2 Supermen/Power Girls/Loises"...the familiar pre-Crisis one and some current new-multiverse one; if not, don't see why upon returning to the land of the living Kal-L wouldn't head for "home" vs. staying in a reality that already has a Superman...

But now earth-2 is back,so why E-2 Superman and Power girl do not return to home? And in my opinion have two Superman on New Earth is not a good thing.

Wild costumes.  Was any sort of reason given for the changes?  Or have the costumes just "always been that way"?  The strangest to my eyes is how Alan Scott's violet has become blue.  It may just be a coloring error, but it looks incredibly different and less mystic.  The black Flash outfit is pretty cool, though.

Is that Al Pratt behind Huntress?

Great Rao asks:


My understanding is that this is NOT the "Earth-2" of old, ie: the Pre-Crisis version.  This is an Earth-2 where a JSA has been in operation since the 40s and there is no JLA, yes, but it's not the one we knew.  Similarly, there are worlds like the old Earth-C (Charlton), Earth-S (Fawcett) and Earth-X (Swastika), but they are new creations that DC will eventually get around to showcasing...and it won't be a case of "going home again."

The current Multiverse is newly created and unexplored.  It's not the old Multiverse revived. At least that's my take on it.

So that GL in blue and Flash in black are not only not "old school" Alan and Jay, they may not even be guys named Alan and Jay.  Time will tell.  (And I'm counting on you guys to read the books and fill me in  :D).

Charlton's Earth pre-Crisis was "Earth-4"; Earth-C, of course, was the home of Capt. Carrot and the Zoo Crew (along with apparently various old DC "funny animal" comics). ;-)

Crispy Snax, I don't want him to be a Silver Surfer rip-off because as you quite rightly said, he should remain his own character. Maybe I didn't word myself particularly well, or maybe I didn't think about what I was saying. I was just trying to suggest a way for us to keep seeing Earth 2 Superman without seeing him subjected to countless resurrections.

Justice Society of America 9 Spoilers


My intital prediction was incorrect. Kal-L did not return and join the JSA in issue 9. Instead, Earth-22 Kingdom Come Superman transported through a black hole, generated by "Earth-1" Star Boy, to New Earth.

http://www.wizarduniverse.com/magazine/wizard/005932911.cfm?page=2

Getting back to Kal-L, Power Girl's dream prelude alludes to his imminent return. The last words of Kal-L ring true, "it's never going to end for us" and "they're still out there" as Kal-L's hand breaks through dirt. It's a different drawing than the one we've seen! Power Girl even says to herself it's a premonition.

With the return of the Anti-Monitor and Countdown to Final Crisis, I would expect to see Kal-L within the year. Remember in comics, does anyone ever stay dead? 

Very infrequently does anyone stay dead in comics.  It does look like eventually the Earth 2 Superman will return. If he does I suspect he will go to Earth 2 in the new multiverse.

Very little relevance here, but I've heard that Captain America has been permanently and fatally killed, for political reasons.