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Title: The Secret of 52 Revealed! Update
Post by: Michel Weisnor on April 24, 2007, 07:36:32 PM
spoilers from DCcomics.com message board

posted by mazingman728





Infinite Spoilers









Week 51, Day 7
Rocky Mountains: Skeets is flying through some workshop. He comes across Morrow who is looking down with a gun in his hand.
Skeets: The android caught a glimpse of the garden. And made a map…
Morrow: Here he comes. This is exactly how they said it would happen. 52 worlds…52 Morrows…and it all comes down to me.
Skeets: I want that map!
Morrow: Err…Gentlemen?

Rip and Booster appear out of a doorway with Rip holding a huge gun.

Rip: Thanks for luring him, professor. We’ll take over from here. Pray for the sake of the 52, we don’t screw up this time!
Booster: Take it easy Skeets, we know your data got corrupted somehow…
Skeets: Skeets is dead, Michael. I ate him from within to make a cradle. A cocoon. Imagine my disgust! The mind of an alien genius trapped in the body of a lowly caterpillar! Until, irradiated with Suspendium particles, I began the transformation that now concludes. It’s too late to stop it. The 52 weeks of my gestation are complete. At last the chrysalis can hatch. Behold the metamorphosis of MR. Mind! I’m hungry. I’m so hungry I could eat a universe. I’ll start with yours, shall I?

Skeets opens up to reveal Mind reveals in his new form that looks like a cross between a Predator and the Alien Bug at the end of Men in Black.

Booster: Oh, dear god…
***Rip grabs Red Tornado’s head***
Rip: Too late. Again. darn it! Booster, grab what’s left of Skeets and get into the Time Sphere! Morrow, activate your androids and get out of here! hurry!
Booster: It’s…it’s hideous…!
Rip: You haven’t seen anything yet. Come on! We stay here we lose!
Booster: Where are we going?
Rip: Back. Back to where it all started.

Update

http://www.wizarduniverse.com/magazine/wizard/004425695.cfm

Administrator's note: Since this thread was originally started, a number of threads have split off from it:

The New Mr. Mind (http://superman.nu/smf/index.php?topic=3535.0)
52: Earths 4 and 5 (http://superman.nu/smf/index.php?topic=3540.0)
52: Television Earths (http://superman.nu/smf/index.php?topic=3539.0)


Title: Re: The Secret of 52 Revealed! Update
Post by: Michel Weisnor on April 27, 2007, 08:12:00 PM
52 #52 Preview Multiple Spoilers

http://www.newsarama.com/dcnew/WAcker/Week51/5252.p1.jpg

http://www.newsarama.com/dcnew/WAcker/Week51/5252.p2.jpg

http://www.newsarama.com/dcnew/WAcker/Week51/5252.p3.jpg





Title: Re: The Secret of 52 Revealed! Update
Post by: Super Monkey on April 27, 2007, 08:53:26 PM
Someone at DC likes Photoshop ;)



Title: Re: The Secret of 52 Revealed! Update
Post by: Uncle Mxy on April 27, 2007, 11:03:52 PM
The real secret of 52 is that Chocos cookies are people!



Title: Re: The Secret of 52 Revealed! Update
Post by: crispy snax on April 28, 2007, 06:43:10 AM
i think they are using the 52 referances wayyyy too much... over the top naw

its like they saw Alan Moores refereance ridden Top 10 and "league of extraordinary gentlemen" titles and tried to copy it... with horrific results


Title: Re: The Secret of 52 Revealed! Update
Post by: jamespup on April 28, 2007, 10:35:34 AM
I thought Soder Green was people


Title: Re: The Secret of 52 Revealed! Update
Post by: jamespup on April 28, 2007, 10:40:18 AM
I did like how in the current Supergirl LOSH how they explained why 31st century aliens are going around saying "Fifdy-too"


Title: 52 issue 52 Spoilers
Post by: Michel Weisnor on May 01, 2007, 11:12:33 AM
mazingman728 posts final issue of 52 @ DCcomics.com


Spoilers below

http://dcboards.warnerbros.com/web/thread.jspa?threadID=2000114150&tstart=0






Discussion Spoilers

Were you confused as I was about how the multiverse returned? Yikes, I thought Donnie Darko and Back to the Future time travel theories were convoluted and unscientific. 52 delivers the multiverse back, so I better stop complaining.  :-X


Special Thanks to Mr. Mind "Devourer of Time Streams" for the return of the multiverse.


Confirmed "New" Earths

Earth 2 = Golden Age

Earth 3 = Crime Syndicate of Amerika

Earth 4 = Charlton

Earth 5 = Captain Marvel & Family

Earth 10 = Freedom Fighters

Earth 22 = Kingdom Come

Earth 50 = Wildstorm


Guess tomorrow, I'll check 52 to see what other new Earths are present.
 


Title: Re: The Secret of 52 Revealed! Update
Post by: Permanus on May 01, 2007, 05:02:51 PM
So, hang on, does this mean that Captain Marvel and Co. no longer live in the same universe as Superman, and Blue Beetle lives on Earth-4 and so on? I'm completely lost. It's like listening to my girlfriend when she comes back from the hairdresser's and I have to pretend I know what she is talking about.


Title: Re: The Secret of 52 Revealed! Update
Post by: Great Rao on May 01, 2007, 05:56:30 PM
Perhaps the Jeff Smith Captain Marvel lives on Earth-5; while the new guy in the hoodie lives on Earth-DC.

I notice that Earth-1 is conspicuously absent from that list.  Is the current Earth-DC considered an altered Earth-1, or is Earth-1 something different?  Or did it now never exist?  Maybe it had to be erased because of the existence of Superboy.  Given that the current Superman seems to have now had a history with the Earth-1 Legion, I'm speculating that the new Superman incorporates his Earth-1 counterpart.

And talk about complex!  Not only was there a pre-Crisis Earth-2, there is now also a post-Infinite-Crisis Earth-2.  So all those pre-Crisis Earth-2 stories may or may not have actually taken place on the post-Infinite-Crisis Earth-2; and if they did, they probably happened in a different manner from what you actually read.

I'm glad I'm as old as I am or I'd never be able to keep it all straight!



Title: Re: The Secret of 52 Revealed! Update
Post by: Michel Weisnor on May 01, 2007, 06:30:33 PM
Perhaps the Jeff Smith Captain Marvel lives on Earth-5; while the new guy in the hoodie lives on Earth-DC.

I notice that Earth-1 is conspicuously absent from that list.  Is the current Earth-DC considered an altered Earth-1, or is Earth-1 something different?  Or did it now never exist?  Maybe it had to be erased because of the existence of Superboy.  Given that the current Superman seems to have now had a history with the Earth-1 Legion, I'm speculating that the new Superman incorporates his Earth-1 counterpart.

And talk about complex!  Not only was there a pre-Crisis Earth-2, there is now also a post-Infinite-Crisis Earth-2.  So all those pre-Crisis Earth-2 stories may or may not have actually taken place on the post-Infinite-Crisis Earth-2; and if they did, they probably happened in a different manner from what you actually read.

I'm glad I'm as old as I am or I'd never be able to keep it all straight!



mazingman728 answered some questions

About Earth-2:

Sorry, I forgot to answer this part. The JSA that we see is Flash (in a black uniform and not red) Robin, Wonder Woman, Huntress, Atom, Jade, Obsidian, Green Lantern and Dr. Fate. Huntress is holding up a copy of the Gothan Gazette with the headline article "Kryptonians Still Missing" with a picture of Superman and Power Girl.
 
New Multiverse theory:

The Multiverse was created when all of the Earths combined to make New Earth.

Rip: "The broken Earths collapsed back together, combining historical remnants to form one New Earth--One far to small to contain the energy within it. In a cosmic act of self-preservation, as you just saw, it began to replicating. Unknown to anyone save myself, a New Multiverse was born in the wake of this Crisis."

It was Mr. Mind eating time that caused the Earths to become differant and not exact copies of each other.

At the end Mr. Mind is back to his caterpillar form which stopped the cycle.


Charlton Q/A

Q: Another Blue Beetle! Is it Ted or Dan!

A: It looks like Dan as he is in the old costume as is Captain Atom. Peacemaker is also there but you will have to look for him.


Wildstorm Reveal

It's only one panel where you will see the Wildstorm characters but they are Fairchild, Rainmaker, Burnout, Mr. Majestic, Zealot, Voodoo, Maul and Grifter fighting some Daemonites.




Boy, it will take sometime to understand multiple versions of Legion, Captain Marvel, and Superman again etc..... Oh wait, silly me. Another 52 week maxiseries titled Countdown is leading toward another big extended crossover event.... Crisis on 52 Earths!  :D   


Title: Re: The Secret of 52 Revealed! Update
Post by: TELLE on May 01, 2007, 07:04:39 PM
Another 52 week maxiseries titled Countdown is leading toward another big extended crossover event.... Crisis on 52 Earths!  :D   

Very funny --I could almost imagine this.



Title: Re: 52 issue 52 Spoilers
Post by: carmelo on May 01, 2007, 08:06:47 PM

Confirmed "New" Earths

Earth 2 = Golden Age

Earth 3 = Crime Syndicate of Amerika

Earth 4 = Charlton

Earth 5 = Captain Marvel & Family

Earth 10 = Freedom Fighters

Earth 22 = Kingdom Come

Earth 50 = Wildstorm


 
Hei! where is my Silver age 50-60 style earth?? ??? ???


Title: Re: The Secret of 52 Revealed! Update
Post by: Superman of America on May 01, 2007, 09:24:47 PM
Let's go crazy! We need more Earths! Earth B, Tangent Earth, Earth Crossover, Earth Zero, Earth Hippie(Prez, Brother Power, & Love Syndicate of Dreamworld), The Earth where Lois Lane was Supermaid, The Earth where Superman & Batman were adopted brothers, The Earth where Superman landed in Gotham instead of Smallville, The Earth where Lex was FROM Krypton & Clark was a wanted Criminal, The Earth where Superman was Bruce Wayne & Robin was his partner and Vicky Vale looks like Lois, Etc, Etc! The possibilities are....INFINITE!!! ;D


Title: Re: The Secret of 52 Revealed! Update
Post by: jamespup on May 02, 2007, 06:59:29 AM
Take a look at all the different Batmans (Batmen?) in JUSTICE LEAGUE OF AMERICA #8

I think there are an infinite number of worlds, or a really large finite number



Title: Re: The Secret of 52 Revealed! Update
Post by: Michel Weisnor on May 02, 2007, 11:01:42 AM
This whole thread brings me back to a previous discussion about the new multiverse. Remember back in Ion #10 this quote:

"So many worlds. Why shouldn't they all get a chance to live?" - Captain Atom (Monarch)

What did Captain Atom mean? According to 52, there is now a multiverse of only 52 distinct universes, no more no less. We also know the Book of Eternity continues rewriting itself, the Tangent Universe exists, Bronze Age Legion of Superheroes are back in Superman's continuity, Superboy-Prime is still a leftover from the original Crisis, the Bleed connects universes together, and at some point, all universes contain analogous versions of Superman, Batman, and Wonder Woman.

I believe post-Countdown, the next Crisis crossover will deal with Captain Atom's statement, the Monitors, all 52 universe, and the realization this multiverse is part of something much bigger than first realized. Frankly, the only way to write this correctly is to revise Crisis on Infinite Earths. 


Update

Okay, I read 52 #52. Earth-17 is a weird medieval post-apocalyptic world with armored knights riding albino mutant horses. Earth-3 is an updated pre-crisis Earth-3 with a CSA Martian Manhunter. Earth-10 resembles pre-crisis Earth-X with Freedom Fighters battling a Nazi Justice League of America. Earth-50 is Wildstorm (WS fans must love that). Earth-5 is the very Fawcett Marvel Family battling Mr. Atom with Uncle Dudley and Mister Tawky Tawny looking on. A poorly painted Kingdom Come Earth resides in Universe-22. Earth-2 appears to be a continuation of pre-crisis Earth-2. Charlton Comics' The Question, Nightshade, Dan Garret Blue Beetle, Captain Atom, Judomaster, and Peacemaker all reside on Earth-4. New Earth, current DCU "clutter" Earth is pretty much Earth 52 with other Earths designated Earths 1-51.

One confusing scene, at least to me, is when Booster Gold travels back in time to "borrow" Ted Kord's scarab. The place is New Earth but it's one day after Crisis on Infinite Earths. I don't remember post-crisis Earth being designated this way. I thought it was a post-IC thing.

Possible spoiler for Countdown or next Crisis

http://romney.homestead.com/files/Megaverse.jpg (http://romney.homestead.com/files/Megaverse.jpg)

Update 2

Booster Gold, don't you just love saying it?

http://www.wizarduniverse.com/magazine/wizard/004446523.cfm

http://wizarduniverse.com/_images_/004446/BoosterGold1.jpg

Wizards 52 Roundup with Pics

http://www.wizarduniverse.com/magazine/wizard/004448945.cfm

1) "EARTH-1: The so-called “new Earth” is pretty much the DCU we’ve known since the end of Crisis on Infinite Earths with a few key tweaks (Wonder Woman as a JLA founder, etc.)."

That is not what is implied in 52 #52. Rip Hunter states, " Together we are the only ones that can save New Earth and Earths 1-51..." According to Rip's quote, New Earth may as well be Earth-52. DC would never change a comic already printed.

http://jigsawmen.googlepages.com/thecollectededition

 :D

2) “There was some resistance to bringing the multiverse back from the boss, but we felt that it was more about the idea that we would keep our Earth intact and doing something new instead of going backwards,” expounded Johns. “You could do lines and specials and miniseries about what these other universes are like. For example, Mark’s a big proponent of thinking the Marvel Family works best in its own reality. And now I want to see him do that.”

Dan Didio must be the boss. You know, I don't believe DC intended to bring back the multiverse until after Infinite Crisis finished. See collected edition link above.

To Mr Johns: Moving forward instead of going backwards creates more confusion or vice versa.  :P

There is possibilty of Mark Waid writing a Captain Marvel Earth-5 book?!      


Title: Re: The Secret of 52 Revealed! Update
Post by: DoctorZero on May 02, 2007, 06:29:46 PM
I would agree, the DC Universe "New Earth" is now clutter Earth, with all the characters residing there.


Title: Re: The Secret of 52 Revealed! Update
Post by: dto on May 03, 2007, 12:39:23 AM
Earth-17 is a weird medieval post-apocalyptic world with armored knights riding albino mutant horses.

Those are the original Atomic Knights, from the "Strange Adventures" series.  And those "mutant horses" are actually giant Dalmations.   ;)  Originally the Knights were survivors of "The Great Atomic War of 1986", but the global catastrophe was later vaguely described as "The Great Disaster".  Kamandi's adventures were also retconned as part of this world.  See:  http://www.toonopedia.com/atomic_k.htm


Title: Re: The Secret of 52 Revealed! Update
Post by: Superman of America on May 03, 2007, 01:55:13 AM
Booster Gold series sounds promising. I guess Dan Jurgans is revisting his ACCESS character from the Marvel vs. DC series with Booster's new crossing time & dimension thing. ;)


Title: Re: The Secret of 52 Revealed! Update
Post by: nightwing on May 03, 2007, 08:40:17 AM
Superman of America writes:

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Let's go crazy!

Too late.

So it turns out not only can Superboy-Prime change the fabric of reality by punching a wall, but Mr Mind can actually EAT time.

I guess the modern fan-boys are happy that "Silver Age silliness" is a thing of the past.  :D

Still and all, good to have any multiverse back.  If this means limited series and one-shots set on other Earths, like the Marvel Family Earth, Charlton Earth and that intriguing "Nazi League" Earth, then I'm in.  But if we only see the other Earths in cross-overs with "New Earth" characters, forget it.





Title: Re: The Secret of 52 Revealed! Update
Post by: Michel Weisnor on May 03, 2007, 11:05:21 AM
Earth-17 is a weird medieval post-apocalyptic world with armored knights riding albino mutant horses.

Those are the original Atomic Knights, from the "Strange Adventures" series.  And those "mutant horses" are actually giant Dalmations.   ;)  Originally the Knights were survivors of "The Great Atomic War of 1986", but the global catastrophe was later vaguely described as "The Great Disaster".  Kamandi's adventures were also retconned as part of this world.  See:  http://www.toonopedia.com/atomic_k.htm

Thank you, so much DCU history so little money!   ;D


Confirmed

Earth 2 = Golden Age

Earth 3 = Crime Syndicate of Amerika

Earth 4 = Charlton

Earth 5 = Captain Marvel & Family

Earth 10 = Freedom Fighters

Earth 17 = Atomic Knights

Earth 22 = Kingdom Come

Earth 50 = Wildstorm

Unsure

Earth 1 or Earth 52 = New Earth

Seen but not yet designated

Tangent

Dark Knight Returns


Title: Re: The Secret of 52 Revealed! Update
Post by: Great Rao on May 03, 2007, 12:34:49 PM

Seen but not yet designated


Dark Knight Returns

Based on the cover to Booster Gold #1, there's a possibility this is Earth-7.


Title: Re: The Secret of 52 Revealed! Update
Post by: Super Monkey on May 03, 2007, 06:53:31 PM
Lots of more info here: http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=111254



Title: Re: The Secret of 52 Revealed! Update
Post by: carmelo on May 03, 2007, 10:42:47 PM
Two questions: 1-where is Will Eisner's Spirit? on Earth-2 with golden age heroes  or on Earth-5 ? 2- the Earth of Timely-Marvel characters is in those 52 Earths?  And if anyone have a friend in DC comics...please i want my Weisenger silver age earth (Earth 6,like 60s or Earth 50 like 50s are good for me). Thanks.


Title: Re: The Secret of 52 Revealed! Update
Post by: nightwing on May 04, 2007, 09:11:34 AM
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Two questions: 1-where is Will Eisner's Spirit? on Earth-2 with golden age heroes  or on Earth-5 ?

Neither.  Though logically his clone, Midnight (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Midnight_(DC_Comics)) should be on Earth-10 (aka Earth-X, aka Earth-Swastika) with his fellow Quality alums Uncle Sam and the Freedom Fighters.

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2- the Earth of Timely-Marvel characters is in those 52 Earths?

It would be nice if they left a few Earths unexplored, leaving open at least the possibility of an "Earth-Crossover", where all those otherwise inexplicable Marvel/DC teamings could occur.

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And if anyone have a friend in DC comics...please i want my Weisenger silver age earth (Earth 6,like 60s or Earth 50 like 50s are good for me). Thanks.

Again, it's always possible they're on a world we'll never see.  But it looks like the "Earth-2" glimpsed here is not really the pre-Crisis model, just as all the others are close, but not quite the same.  I gather what we've gotten is not a return of the Multiverse so much as the creation of a new one.  Thus, I wouldn't be at all surprised to see a "Silver Age"-ish Earth that approximates the SA we knew, but through the lens of modern storytelling.  Like the alternate Earths in Alan Moore's "Tom Strong," it will be merely a distorted reflection of what used to be.

I still have some questions:

- Are we saying there's an "Uncle Sam and the Freedom Fighters" on New Earth as well as on Earth-10?
- Similarly, and I guess more importantly, was there now ever a JSA on New Earth before the JLA, or did the JSA operate on this new "Earth-2" originally, restoring Batman's status as first costumed defender of Gotham and Superman's status as first and greatest superhero, period?
- OR, are we saying there's the New Earth JSA **AND** an Earth-2 JSA?  Where did that Jay Garrick get his black costume, for example?
- Okay, I guess these are all the same question, but do we have a "Trials of Shazam" Marvel Family on New Earth and a Jeff Smith/CC Beck/Don Newton version on Earth-5?
- Did we have a Blue Beetle on New Earth who got his brains blown out and a Booster Gold who got blown up or were they ret-conned away already?  Are those versions on Earth-Charlton them or someone else?

I just think it's funny that one of the big reasons they dumped the Multiverse in the first place was that a handful of characters were duplicated on multiple Earths...Supes, Bats, Wondy and (in name only) Hawkman, GL, Flash and Atom. Making it, the argument went, too confusing for new readers to keep up.  But now with this "new improved Multiverse," we have dozens, maybe scores of duplicate characters.  And speaking as someone who never had a problem keeping up with told Multiverse, I'm already totally confused with the new one.






Title: Re: The Secret of 52 Revealed! Update
Post by: Michel Weisnor on May 04, 2007, 11:15:04 AM
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Two questions: 1-where is Will Eisner's Spirit? on Earth-2 with golden age heroes  or on Earth-5 ?

Neither.  Though logically his clone, Midnight (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Midnight_(DC_Comics)) should be on Earth-10 (aka Earth-X, aka Earth-Swastika) with his fellow Quality alums Uncle Sam and the Freedom Fighters.

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2- the Earth of Timely-Marvel characters is in those 52 Earths?

It would be nice if they left a few Earths unexplored, leaving open at least the possibility of an "Earth-Crossover", where all those otherwise inexplicable Marvel/DC teamings could occur.

Quote
And if anyone have a friend in DC comics...please i want my Weisenger silver age earth (Earth 6,like 60s or Earth 50 like 50s are good for me). Thanks.

Again, it's always possible they're on a world we'll never see.  But it looks like the "Earth-2" glimpsed here is not really the pre-Crisis model, just as all the others are close, but not quite the same.  I gather what we've gotten is not a return of the Multiverse so much as the creation of a new one.  Thus, I wouldn't be at all surprised to see a "Silver Age"-ish Earth that approximates the SA we knew, but through the lens of modern storytelling.  Like the alternate Earths in Alan Moore's "Tom Strong," it will be merely a distorted reflection of what used to be.

I still have some questions:

- Are we saying there's an "Uncle Sam and the Freedom Fighters" on New Earth as well as on Earth-10?
- Similarly, and I guess more importantly, was there now ever a JSA on New Earth before the JLA, or did the JSA operate on this new "Earth-2" originally, restoring Batman's status as first costumed defender of Gotham and Superman's status as first and greatest superhero, period?
- OR, are we saying there's the New Earth JSA **AND** an Earth-2 JSA?  Where did that Jay Garrick get his black costume, for example?
- Okay, I guess these are all the same question, but do we have a "Trials of Shazam" Marvel Family on New Earth and a Jeff Smith/CC Beck/Don Newton version on Earth-5?
- Did we have a Blue Beetle on New Earth who got his brains blown out and a Booster Gold who got blown up or were they ret-conned away already?  Are those versions on Earth-Charlton them or someone else?

I just think it's funny that one of the big reasons they dumped the Multiverse in the first place was that a handful of characters were duplicated on multiple Earths...Supes, Bats, Wondy and (in name only) Hawkman, GL, Flash and Atom. Making it, the argument went, too confusing for new readers to keep up.  But now with this "new improved Multiverse," we have dozens, maybe scores of duplicate characters.  And speaking as someone who never had a problem keeping up with told Multiverse, I'm already totally confused with the new one.

New Earth is now the core DC world. It's modern day DCU Earth with all characters existing on one planet. As mentioned, think of it as "Clutter Earth". This Earth's continuity really begins with the end of Crisis on Infinite Earths with some tweaks. JSA first Superhero team minus Batman & Superman, legacy characters (Montoya Question & Rusch Firestorm etc), Trinity now founding members of JLA, and Brave New World changes (Uncle Sam & Trials of SHAZAM!) take place on New Earth. 

New Earth-2 probably first appeared in Infinite Crisis #4. This is where the Flashes tried to imprison Superboy-Prime. I'm grasping at straws here but I'm basing this assumption off Jay Garrick's black Flash suit (Flash issue 6). Judging by the picture, New Earth-2's continuity probably resembles the GA style original: Superman first and greatest, Batman first costumed, JSA first team, no JLA, Batman's dead, and Superman, Lois Lane, & Power Girl missing since Crisis. Maybe, when E-2 Superman wakes up (JSA Preview), the three will return to Earth-2.  ;)

New Earth Ted Kord is still dead. New Earth-4's Blue Beetle costume resembles Dan Garret's version. I guess we'll have to wait and see.


Now, here is where the rubber meets the road. Back in Paul Levitz recent JSA run, E-2 Batman's Ghost talks with New Earth counterparts?! In the current League/Society crossover, where does Silver/Bronze Era Legion of Superheroes fit into New Earth continuity? Is this Legion missplaced? If so, why does Superman remember this Legion team? Recall, the current New Earth Legion continuity is Mark Waid's Legion. Isn't it? In Justice League #0, another Earth is discovered with Bronze Era looking JLA and JSA superheroes. Confused yet? Well, how about the current Action Comics and Superman titles, do they take place on separate Earths? Plus, you cannot tell me Grant Morrison's Batman and Paul Dini's version are in the same continuity.  Welcome to the new multiverse, enjoy the ride.  ;D       


Title: Re: The Secret of 52 Revealed! Update
Post by: carmelo on May 04, 2007, 01:57:06 PM
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Two questions: 1-where is Will Eisner's Spirit? on Earth-2 with golden age heroes  or on Earth-5 ?

Neither.  Though logically his clone, Midnight (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Midnight_(DC_Comics)) should be on Earth-10 (aka Earth-X, aka Earth-Swastika) with his fellow Quality alums Uncle Sam and the Freedom Fighters.



But Will Eisner 's Spirit is not a character of DC comics now?        http://www.comicbookbin.com/thespirit200704.html                                                                (http://img124.imageshack.us/img124/4851/650aem9.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)             (http://img256.imageshack.us/img256/4189/thespirit1page2po6.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)     


Title: Re: The Secret of 52 Revealed! Update
Post by: DoctorZero on May 04, 2007, 04:31:01 PM
I think there are going to be undoubtely some bumps in the road.  The Earth 2 JSA looks like the Levitz JSA from All Star Comics revival and Adventure Comics.  Kammandi probably exists as well as the follow up to the Atomic Knights. 

My feeling is that we will eventually learn that the earths in the new Multiverse are very similar to those in the original multiverse, but maybe with some changes here and there.  It restores the originals in some form.


Title: Re: The Secret of 52 Revealed! Update
Post by: Permanus on May 04, 2007, 05:06:09 PM
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Two questions: 1-where is Will Eisner's Spirit? on Earth-2 with golden age heroes  or on Earth-5 ?

Neither.  Though logically his clone, Midnight (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Midnight_(DC_Comics)) should be on Earth-10 (aka Earth-X, aka Earth-Swastika) with his fellow Quality alums Uncle Sam and the Freedom Fighters.



But Will Eisner 's Spirit is not a character of DC comics now?        http://www.comicbookbin.com/thespirit200704.html                                                                (http://img124.imageshack.us/img124/4851/650aem9.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)             (http://img256.imageshack.us/img256/4189/thespirit1page2po6.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)     

The Spirit doesn't need to be in one universe or the other, he needs to be in well-written stories. Much to my disappointment, this isn't happening in the new series. A good Spirit story has him appearing on page 7, completely baffled. Darwyn Cooke doesn't get the idea: it's not the joke, it's how you tell it.


Title: Re: The Secret of 52 Revealed! Update
Post by: Michel Weisnor on May 04, 2007, 06:35:14 PM
More revelations more questions

http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=111427

New Earth is pretty much Earth 52. DC staff have not called it Earth 52 but it obviously is this number. It gives me hope New Earth 1 is well Earth 1. See The Lightning Saga?!

If anyone is familiar with Warren Ellis' Wildstorm years, his writing appears a major influence on the current multiverse or maybe :o Marvel's multiverse. Although, readers know what Universe they are reading. 


Title: Re: The Secret of 52 Revealed! Update
Post by: Super Monkey on May 04, 2007, 08:15:56 PM
I hope that All-Star Superman gets his own Earth.


Title: Re: The Secret of 52 Revealed! Update
Post by: Just a fan on May 04, 2007, 11:37:56 PM
On which of these earths do you think Clark and Lois are married? Would there be any offspring? How about Bruce and Catwoman?


Title: Re: The Secret of 52 Revealed! Update
Post by: Great Rao on May 05, 2007, 10:36:30 AM
On which of these earths do you think Clark and Lois are married?

It happened on Earth-2.  Obviously Earth-52/New Earth/Earth-DCU.  It was also possibly referred to having happened on Earth-1, just off-screen and after the Crisis.

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How about Bruce and Catwoman?

Happened on Earth-2 (http://bat.mulu.nu/autobiography/).  I can't see it working out anywhere else.


Title: Re: The Secret of 52 Revealed! Update
Post by: ShinDangaioh on May 05, 2007, 07:36:43 PM
At any rate, here's a list that someone put together of the pre-Crisis multiverse:
Earth-Reality--The real world
Earth-Prime--Originally the real earth but Superboy later added
Earth-0--Post Zero-hour earth
Earth-1--Silver Age Earth
Earth 1a--Superfrends earth
Earth-2--Golden Age Earth
Earth-2a--Alternate earth-2 which includes Daily Planet and Perry White
Earth-3--Reversed Earth, Crime Syndicate of America
Earth-4--Charlton Comics Earth
Earth-6--Lord Volt/Lady Quark Earth
Earth-12--Inferior Five
Earth 14--Mentioned in Animal Man 24
Earth-17 (I)--Non-Kirby New Gods
Earth-17 (II)--Mentioned in Animal Man 23, 24
Earth-A--Alt. timeline created by Earth-1 Johnny Thunder
Earth-B--Brave and Bold Earth
Earth-C--Zoo Crew, Funny Animal Earth
Earth-C-minus--Justa Lotta Animals, Funny Animal Alt. Earth
Earth-D--Earth seen in Crisis the Untold Story
Earth-E--Superman and Batman stories from 1950's
Earth-G--Warlords earth
Earth-H--World were villains are routinely defeated with Hostess snack
cakes.
Earth-I--idealic earth seen in Woder Woman (vol. 1) #291-293
Earth-K--Kamandi earth. May be the same as Earth-1
Eathh-Q--another name for Earth-Quality
Earth-Quailty--Quality Comics where WWII ends on scedule.
Earth-S--Fawcett Comics, Marvel Family Earth
Earth-TV--stories from the comic-book version of "Super-Friends" (may be
the same as Earth-1a) Note: These stories were originally set on earth-1.
Earth-V--Proposed setting of Vertigo stories that contradict DCU continuity
Earth-X--Quality Comic where WW2 doesn't end until 1970's.
Earth-Omega--Original home of Pariah.
Earth-Sigma--Post Crisis Earth, Pre-Zero-hour
Crossover Earth--DC Marvel heros exist side by side.

I can't see 52 universes being enough.  Where does that leave Gemworld?  Then there is that magic universe from DC Comics Presents Superman/Zatanna, where Superman had his powers replaced by magic and Zatanna lost hers.  Or what about the universe that the JLofA killed or the one that exists 30 seconds into the future.  The original Earth 1 was JSA earth and the original Earth 2 was JLA Earth.  The mix up happened during a Justice League xover story.

One things that is not mentioned, Earth C and C Minus did NOT suffer through Crisis, because they were too far away.


Title: Re: The Secret of 52 Revealed! Update
Post by: Michel Weisnor on May 05, 2007, 09:18:53 PM
Earth-H--World where villains are routinely defeated with Hostess snackcakes.

Best Universe Ever! Where do I sign up?  :D


Title: Re: The Secret of 52 Revealed! Update
Post by: jamespup on May 05, 2007, 09:25:53 PM
This Wikipedia article on the Multiverse has an extensive list:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiverse_(DC_Comics)


Title: Re: The Secret of 52 Revealed! Update
Post by: davidelliott on May 06, 2007, 02:03:12 AM
Earth-Prime--Originally the real earth but Superboy later added

Also this was the home of Ultraa, wasn't it?  He appeared pre-Crisis in JLA...


Title: Re: The Secret of 52 Revealed! Update
Post by: crispy snax on May 06, 2007, 05:07:08 AM
well if your looking for a list of comic book universes try this one,

http://blaklion.best.vwh.net/time_links.html

the cosmology compendium! (one of my fav sites) the list includes both marvel and dc universes with others thrown in (ABC universe, alan moores Awesome comics universe, and the seventies atlas comics methinks). it even has timelines on the worlds!!! fun!

alas it doesnt provide me with a pre crisis earth 1 timeline or a marvel timeline which i would love to browse (yep im a dork)

and if you are interested, heres the definitive timeline of Earth-0, the post zero hour earth
http://dcu.smartmemes.com/


Title: Re: The Secret of 52 Revealed! Update
Post by: Super Monkey on May 06, 2007, 03:51:19 PM
Another new Article: http://www.comicbookresources.com/news/newsitem.cgi?id=10481


Title: Re: The Secret of 52 Revealed! Update
Post by: carmelo on May 07, 2007, 10:06:02 AM
In yours opinion the characters of "DC New Frontier"are in any earths of this multiverse?               (http://img116.imageshack.us/img116/2144/frontiertw3.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)


Title: Re: The Secret of 52 Revealed! Update
Post by: TELLE on May 08, 2007, 05:20:15 AM
It reads like the Silver Age, pre-Flash of Two Worlds, filtered through a layer of nostalgia and a thin veneer of politics and fannishness.  So I would say pre-Crisis Earth-1. 

In what way would it differ?  Many of the origins and first meetings of the characters were re-written and ret-conned several times during the Silver, Gold, and Bronze Ages without having to be re-assigned to a new universe.





Title: Grant Morrison 52 Interview Multiverse Update
Post by: Michel Weisnor on May 08, 2007, 07:05:51 PM
http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=111900

"And the parallel Earths you see in issue #52 are not the familiar pre-Crisis versions. If you think you recognize and know any of these worlds from before, you'd be wrong. We all wanted to do something new with the multiple Earths so what you've already seen in 52 is simply the tip of the iceberg - each parallel world now has its own huge new backstory and characters and each could basically form the foundation for a complete line of new books. If you like the ongoing soap opera dynamics of New Earth, you can watch Mary Marvel turning to the dark side as her skirt gets shorter and shorter, or you can buy the Earth 5 line of books featuring more iconic versions of the Marvel Family. If you miss Vic Sage as the Question, you should be able to follow the adventures of Vic's counterpart on the Charlton/Watchmen world of Earth 4.

The idea behind the Megaverse is to basically create a number of big new franchise possibilities. It's like having several comics companies and universes under one umbrella, so, as I say, there could be one book or a whole line of books spinning out of the new Earth 10 (I handled that particular revamp, so I can tell you that the original concept of the Freedom Fighters on a world where the Nazis won World War 2 has been greatly reconsidered, expanded and intensified into something that's a bit more Wagnerian and apocalyptic and a bit more adult) That's how I'd like to see the Megaverse played out as we move forward. And no crossovers! Each of the parallel universes should exist in its own separate stream with no contact from the others - not until we have a story worthy of bringing them together."


Title: Re: The Secret of 52 Revealed! Update
Post by: TELLE on May 10, 2007, 03:08:35 AM
see, fans are already making up good-natured nicknames!



Title: Countdown 51 Spoilers More Multiverse Spoilage
Post by: Michel Weisnor on May 10, 2007, 07:44:32 PM
http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=112180

Raise your hand if you believe the main villain is the Time Trapper.