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hey my peeps im wondering if anyone can help me out on this one..
my friend is a rabid batman fan while I am for The man Of Steel but he says batman Can kick SM's ass anyday.... the argument would go on forever.. He said THat their is AN episode WHen batman comes to metropolis and takes Lois Lane from Clark and then KIcks supermaNS ass... please if anyone knows which episode it is holla at me....

Dude, your keyboard is whacked!

The episode(s) you want are collected in the DVD/VHS "Batman-Superman Movie."  Bruce Wayne comes to Metropolis and romances Lois Lane, but I don't know if it's fair to say he steals her away, since Clark is not involved with her on the show and Superman shows only slight romantic interest in her.

As for the fight, there is one brief scene where Superman pulls Batman off a crook he's beating up and growls that's not the way things are done in Metropolis.  Batman surprises Supes with a judo throw that sends him over Bats' shoulder and onto the floor.  Then Supes zips back to crash into Bats at super-speed, but Bats pulls a chunk of Kryptonite and the fight's over.

Nobody whupped anybody here, but Batman did come out pretty well, considering he's outclassed power-wise.  Unfortunately, your friend is right when it comes to the comics, where Batman can apparently beat Superman, Galactus and the Almighty, in spite of all logic.

However, in my opinion fans who insist on choosing either Superman or Batman at the expense of the other are cheating themselves out of a lot of fun.

I liked that ep, Batman's judo throw reminded me of the Karate Kid using throws and Superboy's strength against him when he was first auditioning for the Legion of Super Heroes...Superboy eventually caught and whacked him, but said "anyone who can give me that kind of tussle belongs in the Legion"... 8)

I think Superman can win a fight wth bats hands down no questions asked.

I'm no Batman fan and am a big Superman fan.  Still...  Now anyone can be defeated by anyone under the right circumstances but...  If you put Supreman nude with Batman nude in a cage, you might end up with dead bat-meat...  
Just as it doesn't make sense to have Daredevil win over Thor, Batman winning over Superman always made my senses hurt...  
Now, that said, this doesn't mean that anyone is greater than anyone.  They are different.  That's all.  If strenght was all, it would make Jesus, Boudha and a lot of other religious figures very little.  It would make Hitler very good.

The big who can whip who (or is it whom) debate has been going on as long as I can remember. The problem is you can never get to the "if all factors were equal" status, if you take away all of superman’s powers then you need to take away all batman’s years of training and make them just two guys in a bar fight, and that isn't going to happen.  And does it really make a difference? These two men represent the epitome of what a hero should be, each using his powers and abilities to make the world a little better and safer then it was yesterday.  Both hold themselves to a standard that is impossible to achieve and inspire those around them to reach for the same goal.

I agree with that.  However, NOT taking everything away and NOT reducing this to the status of a bar fight strongly suggests to me that Batman would win.  I'm all about Superman, but Batman cheats, Batman fights dirty, Batman goes for his enemies' weak spots, and Batman is always ten steps ahead.  That being said, I think he'd be able to defeat Superman.   I hate that, but I think he'd win.  Superpowers are cool and all, but the Bat could beat the whole JLA if he had to.  He just thinks that way.

I love both superman and batman but would like to point out that superman gave batman the kryptonite ring because he knew that if anyhing ever when wrong and he needed to be stoped the only one who could even have a fighting chance would be bats.

Straight up, if Batman and Superman were seriously trying to kill eachother, even with preplanning, Superman would win.  Aside from the obvious, let's not forget all the Kryptonian technology he has access to, which is more advanced that anything Batman has.

I accept that, if Superman were not expecting it, Batman could disable or kill him with some well run plan, but if it EVER came to a physical confrontation, all the batarangs in the Universe aren't going to save Bruce.

Just thought of something here...  You guys remember the fight between Superman & Spider-Man (there's Parasite and Doom too).  Well, Superman kicked a spider-butt very easily...  So, if he could do that...  Isn't Spider-Man much stronger than Batman?  He's got the proportionate strength of a spider, ect...

I know I am more than 2 months late on reading this, but the imagery is hilarious.  :lol:

I know i am late 2 but if this was to happen i think only the women would stick around to find out! I mean GROSS!

Well, this isn't to be taken literally.  It's only to illustrate that Batman can only win over Superman if the dices are fixed.  Mono to mono, no artifice, there's no way Batman can win.  I could never understand all the rambling on some websites over this???

I know this is REALLY late, but if Batman could beat Superman why would Superman even bother giving Batman the kryptonite ring. Also, Batman may cheat, but he wouldn't kill Superman, if the fight was no holds bar, everyone cheat/kill/bite as much as they want, Batman would be dead...er faster than a speeding bullet?

Maybe he trusts Batman to use the ring in case Superman becomes evil or otherwise a threat to humanity.  Not saying that Superman would ever do that, but in case a supervillan hypnotizes him or takes over his body or something.  

And as long as we're talking about the animated Batman, remember, he does carry a piece of kryptonite in his utility belt for "insurance".

Well, yeah that's exactly why he gave Batman the ring.  But I think Tiberius is saying that if Batman had a chance of defeating Superman without using kryptonite, then Superman wouldn't have felt it necessary to give him the ring at all.

All of which may not prove who would win, but if nothing else it shows Superman's opinion on the subject...that there's no way can Batman beat him without using Kryptonite!  

Batman, on the other hand, probably has a different view...

On the contrary, Superman probably *does* think Batman has some chance of beating him without Kryptonite.  The reason he gave it to him is that, *with* the Kryptonite, he has a much greater chance.

It's not like there's only two states of being - "Batman can always beat Superman" and "Batman can never beat Superman".  The outcome is heavily influenced by the circumstances of the battle.

Andrew "NO .SIG MAN" "Juan" Perron, furrfu.

That's exactly what I meant nightwing.
Though this may not affect the outcome of
the battle (or the discussion about it)
I wanted to ask:

Why does everyone always want to de-power Superman.
Yes I know the general answers to that, though some people
would love a god-like Superman who can kick anyone's rear (yes I'm one of them) its not as fun to read comics about an invinsible character
who has almost to chances of losing (I GUESS that makes sense, sheesh)
but HERE'S my big question, why is everyone wanted to de-power Superman, but other characters like Batman are never 'de-powered'
I mean COME ON, Batman! BATMAN. BATMAN!? He's NOT human, yes yes dc claims he is, but no no, he really is not. The beatings he's taken, the stuff that has happened to him, no, either he's got some wolverine like healing powers OR hm well someone has been overpowering him for YEARS and no one has female-dogged about it.

Batman hasn't been human since 1985.  Look at Dark Knight.  He'd been retired for ten years, and had taken up smoking and drinking.  The only reason Batman won is because Frank Miller and Denny O'Neil's hatred of Superman.  Why else would they have Superman go through the battle without unplugging Batman's armor?  And since when could a missile from Earth harm the Man of Steel?  No Terran weapons had ever been able to harm Superman before this.  Why now?  

Because Miller and O'Neil wouldn't have had the story they wanted otherwise!    

I also think Superman gave Batman the K-Ring because Batman was the only hero Superman believed would kill him.  Green Lantern wouldn't need Kryptonite, nor would Flash, Wonder Woman, or the Martian Manhunter.

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