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Title: Lois might just DIE!
Post by: pocketmego on May 03, 2004, 12:17:53 AM
There seems to be speculation amongst people on the DC Comics boards that Lois Lane might soon cease to be.

There appears to be a number of things in the recnt relaunch of books to point to this...

Lois is running off to cover a war in the Middle East.

Wonder Woman is coming to see her soon.

Clark has been demoted from the planet and has a whole new cast of characters to get to know at the police station.

New females for potential love interests. This Lupe character, as well as Lana Lang getting a divorce, plus more and more appearences by Diana.

Away from the comic there is the IMMENSE popularity of lana Lang on Smallville and it is looking more and more like SmallVille will make the jump to Superman movie in a couple of years with Lana and not Lois as female interest.

With more and more people sick of them as a couple this does make sense. Azzarello even wrote her out of the storyline he has going on in Superman.

This could be a huge shake-up for the character. I, personally, am neither here nor there on the matter. I do find their marriage a trifle dull, but Lois was a fun character in the Return to Krypton story.

What do you all think?

-Ray


Title: Re: Lois might just DIE!
Post by: Aldous on May 03, 2004, 02:24:09 AM
"Neither here nor there."

"Lois was a fun character."

Pocketmego, if your appreciation of the relationship between Superman, Clark, and Lois is indicative of the understanding of the present-day creative teams, the character of Superman is doomed to mediocrity.


Title: Re: Lois might just DIE!
Post by: pocketmego on May 03, 2004, 02:29:30 AM
Because I said Lois was a fun character in one story? I think you need to better edit what you critique Ald.

I'm just posting a speculation of what may or may not be coming. But, ultimately I really am neither here nor there about their marriage. Because, if they aren't married and Lois still knows he is Superman, then it doesn't matter if they are married or not.

Now, wipe out the marriage and wipe her memory and you have something.

-Ray


Title: Re: Lois might just DIE!
Post by: Aldous on May 04, 2004, 05:22:13 AM
I said exactly what I meant to say, old son.

I was addressing what I see as a fundamental lack of appreciation of what Lois Lane is -- which your initial post amply demonstrates. And that's not a criticism of you; far from it. It's merely an observation of how far Lois has fallen in the realm of Superman, and my comment will mean very little to the clods who would contemplate the demise of one of the most significant and important characters in comics.

As I intimated, the lack of understanding of the Lois Lane character has a lot to do with the hollowness of much of the present day Superman material.


Title: Re: Lois might just DIE!
Post by: Webley on May 04, 2004, 04:05:54 PM
I think thay would knock off Perry White long before Lois.


Title: Re: Lois might just DIE!
Post by: Super Monkey on May 04, 2004, 08:32:25 PM
Well, Lois hasn't been Lois in ages, but I don't think they would dare kill her. Maybe they might break them up for a while.


Title: Re: Lois might just DIE!
Post by: pocketmego on May 04, 2004, 08:50:00 PM
That makes sense. I misunderstood yoour post Aldous, and I totally see where your coming from. I hadn't considered her recent characterization to be a symptom of bigger problems.

-Ray


<<As I intimated, the lack of understanding of the Lois Lane character has a lot to do with the hollowness of much of the present day Superman material.>>


Title: Re: Lois might just DIE!
Post by: Webley on February 13, 2005, 12:46:08 AM
Quote from: "Webley"
I think thay would knock off Perry White long before Lois.
Id like to tack back what I said I could SO see Lois die in my life time.
Do you think you will out live Lois :?:


Title: Re: Lois might just DIE!
Post by: Kuuga on February 13, 2005, 02:26:19 AM
In mainline DC continuity there is one thing you can depend on.  Stains on heroic legacys and the violation and/or death of female characters.

A writer from "serious fiction" or Hollywood will prolly be called in to ensure that she is raped, killed and a Kandorian will walk on her brain. All in an attempt to show us all that THERE IS A PRICE TO PUTTING ON A CAPE!  COMICS WILL NEVER BE THE SAME!


..because you know, colorful dreams of noble heroes is such a terrible thing.   :(


Title: Re: Lois might just DIE!
Post by: Klar Ken T5477 on February 13, 2005, 09:11:20 AM
Ohh...I thought you were talking about LOis on Smallville cause my theory is that THAT Lois will die and Chloe will take her name (she's already written under the LL byline at the Daily Planet) cause in that world Chloe is the real Lois Lane.
 :wink:
Not that Smallville is in OUR world anyway. :wink:


Title: Re: Lois might just DIE!
Post by: King Krypton on February 21, 2005, 11:22:46 PM
Quote from: "Super Monkey"
Well, Lois hasn't been Lois in ages, but I don't think they would dare kill her. Maybe they might break them up for a while.


For what, the umpteenth time? Lois dumped Clark once in 1995 for selfish reasons, once again in 2001-2002, and tried to walk out on him for no reason at all in 2003 several times during the Steven Seagle run. To cap it all off, Chuck Austen even used Lois' emotional abuse of Clark as a sticking point in his Sodom/Gamorrah issue in one of the very few things he ever did right on Superman.

Assuming Lois was to be killed off, it would be a mercy killing at this point. I think a divorce or break-up by means of memory tampering would be more likely. (Or a reboot, whichever comes first.)


Title: Re: Lois might just DIE!
Post by: DoctorZero on February 22, 2005, 06:05:27 PM
I think eventually, once the entire Lois/Clark marriage becomes tiresome, there will be a reboot.  It's about the only way they can undo things at this point.


Title: Re: Lois might just DIE!
Post by: King Krypton on February 22, 2005, 10:13:35 PM
Quote from: "DoctorZero"
I think eventually, once the entire Lois/Clark marriage becomes tiresome, there will be a reboot.  It's about the only way they can undo things at this point.


I'd say it's already there. It's become a running gag to have Lois get mad at him for stupid reasons (or no reason at all) and try to leave him. And it's also a running gag for him to beg her forgiveness even though he hasn't done anything to deserve her abuse. DC loves to make Superman into a doormat at every possible opportunity, and they've been doing it consistently for years. It's actually gotten to the point where many fans have asked the question "What does he even see in her? He could have any woman he wants!" And DC can't be bothered to answer it, or to stop writing Lois as the Wife from Hell.

To say the marriage has been deliberately written as a dead end/story crutch would be an understatment.


Title: Re: Lois might just DIE!
Post by: Daybreaker on February 24, 2005, 03:21:23 PM
Y'know, I never really bought into this idea that Lois Lane is Superman's "One Fated True Love for Ever and Ever."  First, because that's a really corny idea.  Second, because I don't see a need for it.  Third, because it doesn't add up.  Fourth, because I don't think the old comicbooks from the Golden Age and Silver Age really back that idea up.

Lois Lane has her place in Superman's story, but is it definitely as his love interest?  Seems to me that they made a point of giving Superman a lot of love interests, from Lori Lemaris to Lana Lang to Maxima to Wonder Woman, and so on.  Lois is, and in my opinion always has been, the least interesting and worst-suited candidate.

There was a reason why Superman didn't want Lois back in the Silver Age.  It's because she was clearly off her rocker.  She wasn't a girlfriend, she wasn't even a fan, she was a stalker.  She was all of the bad things about a wife and none of the good.  He quite literally couldn't change his clothes without her butting in and making his life more complicated, and not in fun ways.

Lois Lane is the kind of girl you could be friends with, maybe, if she promised to behave herself.  But even that would be doomed to failure, because friendship would never be enough for her.  In her own way, she was actually Superman's most consistent villain all through the Silver Age, constantly seeking to expose his secret for her own selfish reasons, trying to control and domesticate a man for whom that kind of life might hold some daydreaming appeal, but for whom that life was also completely impractical and far too dangerous to indulge in.

Not to say that Lois can't be written well.  I like Mark Waid's take on her in Birthright, but I found myself hoping that Jimmy would get her so she would maybe leave Superman alone.


Title: Re: Lois might just DIE!
Post by: Super Monkey on February 24, 2005, 04:17:46 PM
why do you hate poor Jimmy so much ;)


Title: Re: Lois might just DIE!
Post by: Beyonder on March 01, 2005, 09:47:41 AM
Man, at least now I understand what you guys mean with the term "Iron Age"...  :(


Title: Re: Lois might just DIE!
Post by: ShinDangaioh on March 01, 2005, 09:17:30 PM
Quote from: "Daybreaker"


Lois Lane is the kind of girl you could be friends with, maybe, if she promised to behave herself.  But even that would be doomed to failure, because friendship would never be enough for her.  In her own way, she was actually Superman's most consistent villain all through the Silver Age, constantly seeking to expose his secret for her own selfish reasons, trying to control and domesticate a man for whom that kind of life might hold some daydreaming appeal, but for whom that life was also completely impractical and far too dangerous to indulge in.


At least Lana Lang showed that she is capable of keeping a secret.  Even though Kal-El went out of his way to make her seem not to. (I recall the story where Superboy had stuck a piece of Green K on a lightning rod and lost his memory due to a lightning bolt)

For those who want to be spared the horror of reading it ;) :
http://www.geocities.com/cheeksilver/sadism1.htm

And, Lana did have the courage to fight against one of the most powerful super-villians alongside Superboy and three members of the Legion of Super Heroes: Mordru.

At least she had an idea of what type of life Superman led.


Title: Re: Lois might just DIE!
Post by: King Krypton on March 02, 2005, 12:53:36 AM
Oddly enough, one of Chuck Austen's aims was to make Lana Clark's love interest again when he first started his Action run, citing Lois' gold-digging antics of recent years as proof that the marriage wasn't working. Too little, too late, says I. You'd be better off creating a new character to be Superman's girlfriend and just have Lois be the self-absorbed stalker with a mean streak.

The sad part is, neither Noel Neill or Phyllis Coates' renditions of Lois were anywhere near as conniving (or, as seen in the recent comics, mean) as the comic book version. Nor were Margot Kidder and Teri Hatcher's versions. The mass media conception of Lois is much more sympathetic and worthier of being Supes' bride. The comic book version? Get a divorce lawyer and be snappy about it.


Title: Re: Lois might just DIE!
Post by: ShinDangaioh on March 02, 2005, 06:36:18 AM
There is no real way to handle the current situation with Lois without having the misigony charge leveled at DC.  Thank you, Identity Crisis.

If All Stars does well, DC might just shuffle the current Superman off into limbo, leaving the Animated and All Stars versions.


Title: Re: Lois might just DIE!
Post by: Captain Kal on March 08, 2005, 03:29:22 PM
Quote from: "Daybreaker"
In her own way, she was actually Superman's most consistent villain all through the Silver Age, constantly seeking to expose his secret for her own selfish reasons, trying to control and domesticate a man for whom that kind of life might hold some daydreaming appeal, but for whom that life was also completely impractical and far too dangerous to indulge in.


I kept meaning to respond to this eloquent statement but I kept losing where this thread was.  :oops:

Very well said, Daybreaker!  To be honest, I never saw it that way before you laid it out here, but you did hit the nail on the head.  Lois was Superman's most consistent villain, in her own way.  Step aside, Luthor and Brainiac, and let the real top of Superman's Rogues Gallery through.


Title: Re: Lois might just DIE!
Post by: kryptosmaster on March 08, 2005, 11:52:47 PM
Didn't you know? Lois is already dead. Superman killed her.
See:

http://www.comics.org/graphics/covers/1296/200/1296_2_102.jpg

KM
Hmm. I thought we could post pics in here? Maybe I'm doing it wrong?
isn't like so:
<img src=http://www.comics.org/graphics/covers/1296/200/1296_2_102.jpg>

?? that didnt work but i got a hotlink to appear.


Title: Re: Lois might just DIE!
Post by: King Krypton on March 09, 2005, 12:03:22 AM
Quote from: "ShinDangaioh"
There is no real way to handle the current situation with Lois without having the misigony charge leveled at DC.  Thank you, Identity Crisis.


Divorce could work. There's enough substantial evidence against Lois that Clark could break it off with her and people wouldn't have a cow over it (unless they're fanatical FoLCs, that is). She doesn't need to die for this abusive marriage to end. All they have to do is end it and let them go their separate ways. It wouldn't have to be IC all over again.

Quote
If All Stars does well, DC might just shuffle the current Superman off into limbo, leaving the Animated and All Stars versions.


We can only hope.


Title: Re: Lois might just DIE!
Post by: Captain Kal on March 09, 2005, 12:07:32 PM
Let me try, Kryptosmaster.

(http://www.comics.org/graphics/covers/1296/200/1296_2_102.jpg)

FYI, use (http://, put your url in the middle, then close it with ).  That's how I did it above.


Title: Re: Lois might just DIE!
Post by: kryptosmaster on March 09, 2005, 10:50:33 PM
Let's see if it will work for me?

(http://www.comics.org/graphics/covers/1296/200/1296_2_102.jpg)

Groovy! I got it!
Thanks
KM