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 on: September 21, 2018, 08:58:37 AM 
Started by Super Monkey - Last post by nightwing
You don't have to be a telepath from Titan to know what they were thinking with Saturn Girl.  Evil  But Cosmic Boy was weird.  I confess I went my entire youth without noticing there was no collar to his costume, and it was the same color as his skin.  I just recently realized he went bare-chested aside from those two black areas around either side of his rib cage.  I have no idea how they would have stayed up.  Maybe they were partly made of metal and he held them up with his superpower.

Garth did win the "best male costume" in the Bronze Age Legion, which is only fair considering how uninspired his original togs seemed.  I also liked the blue and green iteration of Element Lad's outfit, though it may have been a little over-detailed.  Imra's outfit held obvious appeal to us young lads, but it doesn't seem very practical to go into battle in a bikini.  The one that always brought the story to a screeching halt while I stared goggle-eyed was Dawnstar.   Shocked

As far as the sideburns go, I suppose there's always a balance between temporal logic and commercial appeal.  Would kids of the 70s have wanted to read about a kid with a 50's wardrobe and haircut?  Anyway, we were used to these anachronisms as TV watchers:  60s-era TV heroes used hair tonic whether their adventures were set in the Old West or the 23rd Century.  The Happy Days gang started with authentic looks but soon sported Disco-era hairdos, wide lapels and bell-bottoms in the "50s".  Heck, pioneer family patriarch Pa Ingalls had a perm!  Afro

Anyway, Grell only ever drew one hairdo for male characters, and that included sideburns.  When Ollie shaved his goatee over in GL/GA, we were totally dependent on the colorist to differentiate him from Hal.  If Ollie ever met Travis Morgan in a black-and-white Showcase volume, I'd be completely lost.


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 on: September 17, 2018, 11:36:56 AM 
Started by Super Monkey - Last post by Adekis
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Oh, and he didn't have to enact any stupid changes to the costume to make him look contemporary either.

Just as well, since a "costume change" in this period of LSH history would likely have put him in speedos and a fishnet tank top.  Cheesy
Haha, no doubt! Lightning Lad's costume looks pretty amazing during this period really, but I can never figure out what the hell they were thinking for Cosmic Boy and Saturn Girl!

I don't mind Grell's otherwordly and unrealistic poses any more than I mind Kirby's giant proportions - huge heads with huge teeth, giant hands on beefy arms, etc. It's just part of the stylization.

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Grell's Superboy, like the rest of his Legion, did indeed seem to have crossed that line from teen to adult, but to me, he was growing into someone different from the adult Superman appearing elsewhere.  His bone structure, his jawline, his frame were difficult to reconcile with what we knew from Superman, Action and World's Finest.  I was tempted to view the LSH character as "alternate Universe Superman" instead of "Superman when he was a boy."
I don't know about the art, but I definitely started feeling that way about the character to a certain extent. The Legionnaires were inspired by Superboy, but occasionally don't seem to know Superman exists, that kind of thing. The writers developed Superboy in the Legion a way not entirely different from how Dick Grayson evolved in the New Teen Titans, but since Kal already had a future self ready to go, it's definitely a little weirder, less linear.

You know, I said that Superboy's sideburns don't quite work given that he's not actually from the '70s, but like... maybe he is.

Anyway, Byrne made reading Superboy as a totally different character much more cromulent - but breaking a whole lot of the Superman Mythos in the process. Maybe it's best not to read too much into that stuff, haha!  Grin

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 on: September 12, 2018, 11:41:04 AM 
Started by Super Monkey - Last post by nightwing
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Oh, and he didn't have to enact any stupid changes to the costume to make him look contemporary either.

Just as well, since a "costume change" in this period of LSH history would likely have put him in speedos and a fishnet tank top.  Cheesy

I loved Grell's Legion (and Green Lantern) as a lad, but I soon developed an aversion to his bizarre take on human anatomy and all those weird, stiff poses that by logic should have ended with people falling over.  By the time he got to "Warlord" I was totally over him, though I loved his writing on the eventual Green Arrow solo book.

Grell's Superboy, like the rest of his Legion, did indeed seem to have crossed that line from teen to adult, but to me, he was growing into someone different from the adult Superman appearing elsewhere.  His bone structure, his jawline, his frame were difficult to reconcile with what we knew from Superman, Action and World's Finest.  I was tempted to view the LSH character as "alternate Universe Superman" instead of "Superman when he was a boy."

All that said, if we're allowed to include SuperBOY artists here, I really liked Dave Cockrum's take on the character in LSH.  And though it seemed bland to me as a kid, I've developed a real fondness for George Papp's version, as well.

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 on: September 08, 2018, 03:54:18 AM 
Started by Super Monkey - Last post by Adekis
Obviously Joe Shuster is a classic. Big fan of Gil Kane and Neal Adams, and of course Jack Kirby is an all time great. I definitely dislike that so much of his Superman work was altered by others to preserve brand uniformity! And Great Rao mentioned (over a decade ago, but still rightly) that Bogdanove was great and should get an honorable mention despite not being pre-Crisis.

I want to talk about an artist who hadn't been brought up before, and perhaps the reason I like him goes a bit against the overall theme of the site but screw it. Mike Grell's Superboy is probably my favorite visual take on the Man of Steel, bar none. The reason? Despite the name "Superboy" he's visibly a young man, full of vigor and passion. I think "young Superman" as a concept doesn't get enough traction after the early Golden Age (when he was often described as a young man), as Superman is usually drawn to look well into his 30s. I like the Golden Age idea of a passionate young man driven to fight injustice, and for my money, Grell manages to update that concept visually for the 70s, even though his Kal-El wasn't native to that decade and barely spent any time away from the future in his stories! Oh, and he didn't have to enact any stupid changes to the costume to make him look contemporary either.

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 on: August 13, 2018, 06:34:13 PM 
Started by TELLE - Last post by JulianPerez
Whoa, my old login still works. Incredible.

I am so sorry to hear about Dick Siegel. He was a great one. When I was a young kid, I wanted to move to Ft. Meyers to work for the Weekly World News and he even wrote a letter of recommendation for me. It never worked out, alas, but he had my back.

He even gave me an introduction to a personal hero of mine, David Anthony Kraft. For years, I thought DAK was just a pen name for Steve Englehart, since Kraft followed Stainless Steve and even used his characters on various Defenders runs, so it was a surprise to find out he was a real person. I mentioned this to Dick in passing and he said, "oho, didn't you know he was a friend of mine from art school?" And he made an introduction. Cool guy, great artist too.

Once, I asked Dick why he shortened his name to Dick and he said that it was due to the fact he wanted to sign his name with a D like Walt Disney.

He was an endless resource for pulp know-how. He knew everything there was to know on everyone from Nictzin Dyalhis to Leigh Brackett. I think his love of Superman is an extension of his love of pulp scifi and the Astounding era.

If you can, read his book, "Alien Creatures," which had Superman.

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 on: July 18, 2018, 03:24:25 PM 
Started by Gernot1962 - Last post by nightwing
I wasn't counting the Showcase volumes, which is a dead line (Batman v. 6 was the last of them).  That line saw plenty of BA material, including the Legion of Super-Heroes, Phantom Stranger, Brave and the Bold and arguably Enemy Ace. Yes, I would definitely count volumes 5 and 6 of Showcase Presents: Batman as "Bronze Age," and it's no surprise those are the only two I own.  But even then, they followed the same pattern of starting with the Silver Age and working their way up to Bronze.  Superman never made it that far as his Showcase line died with Vol. 4 (a crying shame, BTW: I bought and loved all of them).

The good news is the omni line will soon be ready to move to the Bronze Age of the Flash (another fave) and we've already got the JLA going.  The bad news is I'll likely be in a retirement home before the Batman and Superman omnis get that far.

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 on: July 06, 2018, 10:21:56 PM 
Started by Great Rao - Last post by Great Rao

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 on: July 02, 2018, 01:27:31 AM 
Started by Great Rao - Last post by Great Rao
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 on: June 28, 2018, 04:48:55 PM 
Started by TELLE - Last post by Great Rao
Klar's posts here at the STTA forum http://forum.superman.nu/index.php?action=profile;u=111;sa=showPosts

A brief obit by BK Munn https://frequential.blogspot.com/2018/06/dick-siegel1955-2018.html

Youtube Channel https://www.youtube.com/user/MarsFilm

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 on: June 25, 2018, 03:47:24 PM 
Started by TELLE - Last post by TELLE
Members of this forum might like to know that Dick Siegel has died. Siegel was a member here for many years, posting as Klar Ken T5477.

Dick often shared hints of his comic book writing projects here, and often discussed his work as an editor and writer for Weekly World News and National Enquirer. He had an extensive comics and film bio, besides his work as a journalist, humour writer, and pop culture historian.

Here is his IMDB page: https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0797000/bio

Here is a profile of Siegel from GQ, from around the time the Enquirer was seriously being considered for a Pulitzer because of their coverage of the John Edwards political scandal:

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Edwards was the first major story the Enquirer broke online. "We're the last of the Mohicans in terms of discovering our Web site," Levine says. They caught Edwards at the Beverly Hilton after that week's paper locked; worried that Edwards would attempt to spin the story before next week's edition, they posted the story on the Web site on Tuesday morning.

The Enquirer's full-time Web staff consists of one guy. Dick Siegel is in his fifties, works out of a cubicle decorated with color rod comic-book covers from the '60s; the fact that he's an obvious pop-culture junkie ("I was able to write Fess Parker's obit, or 90 percent of it, off the top of my head, which is scary") makes him the ideal man to run the Enquirer's Web site, where Old Hollywood types—Natalie Wood, Ingrid Bergman—tend to get more hits than Justin Bieber and the Jersey Shore kids. (By way of illustration, he pulls up a recent blog post, sourced to Carrie Fisher's Twitter, about speed fiend eddie fisher.)

"My forte is not journalism," Siegel says. "I'd be fired. I had been working at the late, lamented Weekly World News. That was after my film jobs—I'd been an independent-film cinematographer. Really bad horror movies. Including one that I wrote, about zombies at a women's prison."
He tells me that the Weekly World News gig was good training for what he does now. You learned to write short stories, in AP style, even if they concerned the travails of Bat Boy, "and present them in a serious manner, even if the punch line was a joke."
But it makes sense that someone with Siegel's background wound up at the Enquirer. The tabs are a form of rogue pop culture. They're vehicles for celebrity adoration, but they burrow, termitelike, into the sanctioned narratives of American fame. They're camp—a form of fantasy that revels and resists. They're a comic-book, zombie-movie draft of Hollywood history, right down to the zingy sobriquets.
"It's like professional wrestling," Siegel says. "When we wrote about Tiger Woods's wife, we always described her as 'livid,' so now she's always 'livid Elin.' And Rielle Hunter is 'the New-Age Temptress.'"
Heroes and villains, in primary colors. "That's what separates the giant scandals from the everyday scandals," Levine says, explaining to me why Tiger Woods and Edwards, stepping out on his cancer-stricken wife, were tabloid rocket fuel. "If somebody is a hero and they do something unthinkable, something unconscionable, if the betrayal is so overwhelmingly dirty and sickening, that's what makes what we do."


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