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Question: Superman vs the Living Tribunal  (Voting closed: March 01, 2005, 07:11:48 AM)
Supes wins - 5 (71.4%)
LT wins - 2 (28.6%)
Total Voters: 7

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« on: March 01, 2005, 12:11:48 PM »

Okay, here's the scenario:

Supes just fought an aliance of his foes (The Prankster, the Toyman, Bizarro Superman and Mxy-- well, don't ask), when suddenly, he encounters a pice of Red Kryptonite, which entirelly cancels his vulnerability to Red Sun Radiation, Kryptonite of any color, Gravitation Attacks, and Magic. His code against killing also takes a powder.This effect lasts for exactly 48 hours.

It also messes with Supes' mind, so that he feels compelled to travel to the Marvel universe - which he does by virtue of his awesome power which is his by birthright - and clobber the MU's dark Guardian, the Living Tribunal!!


Here are the rules. It's "Weisingerman", that is, Superman of the Sixties, before he fell victim to the effects of the Sandman Saga-- allowing Supes the range of his near-omnipotence. Remember his awesome feats???

There will be no tie or cope-out.

Who wins?!
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« Reply #1 on: March 01, 2005, 12:14:49 PM »

I voted vor Supes. I DO think he can do a lot more damage then LT-- especially, if he's without his "don't kill" code.
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« Reply #2 on: March 01, 2005, 01:48:01 PM »

Hey, cool!  Cool

Superman is allready in the lead!

But how comes no one debattes this fight?
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« Reply #3 on: March 01, 2005, 02:34:47 PM »

The LT is pretty much a plot device. The winner would be whomever the writer wanted it to be.
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« Reply #4 on: March 01, 2005, 02:38:26 PM »

Now, that's unfair. You could say the same about Superman, or Batman in the Nineties' JLA boks.

The Tribunal is a character in his own right.
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« Reply #5 on: March 01, 2005, 07:07:10 PM »

Sure he's a character, but that isn't the issue. Supey and (especially) Bats have well-defined powers and limitations. The LT doesn't. I can make lists of definite things that Superman can and can't do. Can you do the same for the LT?
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« Reply #6 on: March 01, 2005, 07:19:48 PM »

It depends on how the LT is written.

In What IF Korvac hadn't died, the LT made our sun go supernova and Korvac not only survived that but protected the entire Earth as well.  The LT then claimed that was his ultimate retribution and he was incapable of standing against Korvac, so he gave up that version of the MU for lost and sealed it off from all the other MU timelines.

Superman at his peak portrayals is way beyond a mere supernova in comparison.

In fact, according to "Costume, Costume, Who's Got the Costume?" he's capable of generating power enough to counter the entire GLC whose power was negating all the infinite possible futures of Earth save for the Kamandi timeline at the time.  That's power to counter at least a multiverse, dude.

To be fair, I tend to side with the LT as he's usually intended to be written.  But in the MU we do have precedent for the LT being written as not so absolutely omnipotent.  If this were in the DCU of any variety, Superman wins in any incarnation simply because the LT has no jurisdiction in the DCU.  It's not even an argument.
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« Reply #7 on: March 01, 2005, 07:25:42 PM »

Yeah, but there's also precedent for the LT being far more powerful than that. Like Warlock and the Infinity Watch #1 where his power is clearly at least comparable to that of the six Infinity Gems.
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