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Question: Superboy vs Mon-El  (Voting closed: April 02, 2005, 04:42:34 AM)
Superman - 5 (71.4%)
Mon-El - 2 (28.6%)
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« Reply #8 on: October 20, 2005, 03:04:28 AM »

Basically I think Superboy was more poweful than Mon-El.  Superboy seemed to be capable of a lot more than Mon did.  Of course, that could have been because Superboy had his own regular book.
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« Reply #9 on: October 20, 2005, 07:40:32 PM »

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Also, Superboy (and Ultra Boy) seem to be more invulnerable when it comes to their minds.  These two were immune to the Master's mind control helmet but Mon-El was controlled alongside the rest of the Legion.  This seems related to how Darkseid easily controlled the entire Daxamite population.  You'd think if this were so easy for Darkseid that he'd also take over some LSH heavy-hitters too.  Mon and possibly Daxamites in general seem more vulnerable to mental attacks.


Let me further add that even in Mon-El's first appearance he was suffering from amnesia, a form of mental disability.  Only the shock of lead poisoning revived his lost memories.  The only time Superboy's super-memory aka total recall fails him is related to kryptonite exposure (green for permanent gaps and red for temporary ones).  This further underscores Daxamite mental vulnerability being more pronounced than the same for Kryptonians.

We have three pieces of evidence given the above.

On a related note, Saturn Girl easily downed both Mon-El and Ultra Boy with her mental powers.  In an earlier Siegel story "The Revenge of the Super-Heroines", Imra resorted to trickery and a disguised kryptonite robot to defeat Superboy instead of directly using her super-telepathy on him.  In that same story, she claims Superboy, not Mon-El, is the mightiest of the Legionaires.

Phantom Girl and Princess Projectra have similarly said Superboy is their strongest member when they faced a robot that decked Superboy.
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« Reply #10 on: October 20, 2005, 10:54:37 PM »

I'd have to give the battle to Mon-El, who as a result of the fact that he is older than Superboy (Mon-El was on one occasion said to be the oldest Legionnaire) he has far greater physical prowess, both in speed and strength and coordination. The physical differences between a fifteen-sixteen year old boy and an eighteen year old are immense. Add superpowers to the mix, and sure, you're working at a bigger scale, but the differences are there relative to one another.

Interesting idea, Captain Kal, the concept that Daxamites might racially have a vulnerability to mental domination. There certainly is support for it.

One idea that was all too briefly mentioned by Kurt Busiek in his AVENGERS run is the idea that since all mind control comes from Marvel-Earth (the Corruptor, the Serpent Crown, the Overmind, the Infinity Gem of Mind) that it may be possible that the inhabitants of the Squadron-Earth may somehow lack a natural immunity to mental domination. Unfortunately, nobody has ever done anything with this pretty intriguing piece of speculation.
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« Reply #11 on: October 20, 2005, 11:33:02 PM »

Has Mon-El ever been shown doing any of the super-feats that Superboy has been shown doing?

How can you prove that Mon-El is more powerful?

Can he move planets with a puff of his breath?

Is he strong enough to move an entire solar system without breaking a sweat?

Please keep in mind that Superboy always holds back during battles as to not kill anyone, which accounts to why he was bested a few times since he took his own self impose depowering too far and was taken off guard.
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« Reply #12 on: October 22, 2005, 07:22:56 AM »

Superboy tries harder!
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« Reply #13 on: October 22, 2005, 09:18:32 AM »

As I said in my first post of this thread, we have actual events where Superboy has been shown to be superior.  Yes, we have examples where characters have stated Mon-El is superior.  But my rule of thumb is actions speak louder than words.

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Mon-El and Tharok agreed that a battle between Mon and Validus would end in a stalemate.  Later, Superboy bowled Validus' legs out from under him and held his own against the entire Fatal Five for a time.

Ultra Boy's mind in Superboy's body vs Mon-El in a head-on collision: Mon-El was knocked down not Superboy.

When Superboy, Mon-El, Ultra Boy, and Wildfire used their invulnerable forms to block the nega-bomb from destroying the Earth, all the others were knocked out.  Superboy was the only one left standing and conscious.

Given that canon evidence, I'd give the physical superiority to Superboy too.


Yes, Superboy, Mon-El, and Ultra Boy have learned to hold themselves back when using their powers to both avoid killing/harming others and to avoid collateral damage.

But Lar and Jo spent most of their lives before become powered as normal people.  They fully know the strain and thrill of pushing themselves to their peak.  They spent a lifetime learning reflexes where normal exertion and straining is their norm.  Holding themselves back is not a natural state for them and they easily have a lifetime of normal reflexes to fall back on.

Kal-El spent a lifetime having virtually no experience of such things, unless you count those scant two years as a baby on Krypton.  He spent most of those same years in a world where other people are like wisps of smoke to his super-strong, invulnerable hands, where most structures and matter are far more fragile -- to him -- than eggshells are to us.  His natural state is to hold himself back in all circumstances and to use his powers at even relatively normal levels is completely alien to him.
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« Reply #14 on: October 22, 2005, 10:28:50 AM »

More related info:

Mon-El was visibly sweating when he shoved the Nullport asteroid several light-years deeper into U.P. territory.  He thought maybe Star Boy overdid the mass-induction since it felt to him like a full-sized world.  Even if his musings were true, that was at best a single planet of mass.  Superboy has casually dragged at least thirteen planets on a chain from one galaxy to another, a distance of millions of light-years, and showed no sweating nor any other evidence of exertion.  Heck, he was using one arm to do so.

Mon-El was visibly affected by a Khundian warship's blasters and he feared to being shot to pieces unless he used strategy to knock out the engine power.  Similarly, a mere bomb knocked Mon-El out when the Legion was investigating a circus for a murderer.  Superboy is not so easily harmed or even affected.

In the aforementioned Reflecto story where the two heroes collided head-on, Mon-El was restrained by Grimbor's traps and the text even describes him as 'nearly as powerful' as Superboy.  Superboy, disguised as Reflecto, himself proved impervious to just about everything Grimbor threw at him and only kryptonite in the final energy blasts were able to hurt him.

In actual published events, Superboy comes out ahead of Mon-El.

Now, if someone could post some examples where Mon is demonstrably ahead, we could consider those.  Superboy thinking Mon is stronger when facing Omega doesn't count since those are words not actions since Superboy declined to face Omega.
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« Reply #15 on: October 26, 2005, 02:55:03 PM »

I have an option that might explain how some stories state Mon-El is stronger while most show Superboy is.

When they were younger and earlier in LSH history, Lar perhaps was indeed measurably stronger than Kal.  But as they matured, Kal outdeveloped Lar thus explaining those later showings.  It is notable that those stories showing Superboy as superior are around his 16 -18 year old timeframe while he's about 14 when he first joined the Legion.

I have younger cousins that I used to be way bigger and stronger than when we were kids but they are now much stronger than I am when we grew up.

This option allows both sets of stories to be true and jibes with the timeframes of those portrayals.
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