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Question: Should DCCP and S Crisis Crossovers be included in the list of canonical sources?  (Voting closed: March 14, 2005, 10:46:35 PM)
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« Reply #24 on: March 10, 2005, 04:00:37 AM »

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I have yet to see any suggestions here that substantially improve on Fleisher in my opinion. Cheesy
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« Reply #25 on: March 10, 2005, 05:08:17 AM »

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I have yet to see any suggestions here that substantially improve on Fleisher in my opinion. Cheesy


I have, for one thing we are not pretending that the Earth-2 and Earth-1 Superman are the same person like he did.
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« Reply #26 on: March 10, 2005, 08:23:21 AM »

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we are not pretending that the Earth-2 and Earth-1 Superman are the same person like he did.

Of course, since for the purposes of his book, the 2 Supermen did not actually meet each other until  1977, and the book deals with information only up to 1964 (and was published, I think only in 1978), he could hardly be said to be "pretending" anything --it wasn't even a question.  

The conception of Earth-2 and all the other Earths, as much as I love them and as much as I'm a fan --and despise Crisis for their destruction, is in many ways a less elegant solution, not to mention confusing to many outsiders (quixotically, the target audience of the encyclopedia), than Fleisher's studied rationales.

And, I would argue, there was quite a bit of divergence even among the various DC writers and editors of different periods about the true extent of the multiverse:  outside of the few instances mentioned by the Schwartz-edited Silver Age books like Flash and the annual JLA crossovers, the hard-and-fast rules of the multiverse were best articulated by fans writing in fanzines --until those fans became comics writers in the 1970s and started dishing out new concepts like Mr. & Mrs Superman (and later in the various DCU handbooks) and, ultimately, Crisis on Infinite Earths.
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« Reply #27 on: March 13, 2005, 03:55:28 PM »

Is this safe to add Earth-Prime and Superboy-Prime now?  Tongue
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« Reply #28 on: March 13, 2005, 11:44:15 PM »

How about this for a 'Crisis On Infinite Earths' entry?:

Crisis On Infinite Earths. A massive conflict that spanned the Multiverse, engineered by the malevolent entity known as the Anti-Monitor. The Crisis involved a multitude of super-powered beings from several realities, both heroes and villians, among them Superman of Earth One and the Superman of Earth 2. It is also recognised as the conflict in which Supergirl tragically lost her in life, and during which Superman encountered the Superboy of Earth-Prime .

When the Crisis was over, and the Anti-Monitor defeated, only one universe and one reality remained. However, it should be noted that in the immediate aftermath of the Crisis, the history and life of the Superman of Earth One remained intact. However it is doubtless that any event in which he had encountered a being from another reality, such as Kal-L of Earth 2, had been erased from history.

... it's a short entry, covers all bases concerning Superman, and merely draws upon synopsis information from the crossover Crisis issues.
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« Reply #29 on: March 14, 2005, 09:35:53 AM »

Sounds great to me!  Don't forget to include those citations from the "synopsis information" in the entry. Cheesy

By the way, I'd back Admiral Chew's suggestion to change the Multiverse entry to Infinite Earths, for the sake of continuity --I haven't seen any indication yet that multiverse was ever a proper noun found in the canon.  Maybe in a Marv Wolfman story in the 80s?  If so, I retract.
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« Reply #30 on: March 14, 2005, 10:32:06 PM »

Crisis On Infinite Earths. A massive conflict that spanned the Multiverse, engineered by the malevolent entity known as the Anti-Monitor, who hailed from the Anti-Matter Universe. The Crisis involved a multitude of super-powered beings from several realities, both heroes and villians, among them Superman of Earth-1 and the Superman of Earth 2, all of whom to varying degrees and in various roles sought to prevent the Anti-Monitor from destroying the Multiverse, and later the positive matter universe. It is also recognised as the conflict in which Supergirl tragically lost her in life, and during which Superman encountered the Superboy of Earth-Prime .

When the Crisis was over, and the Anti-Monitor defeated, only one universe and one reality remained. However, it should be noted that in the immediate aftermath of the Crisis, the history and life of the Superman of Earth-1 remained intact. However it is doubtless that any event in which he had encountered a being from another reality, such as Kal-L of Earth-2, had been erased from history. (Based on synopsis information and conjecture from issues ?)

The entry is ready to go up, so can anyone give the list of the Crisis crossover issues?  



BTW, I'd too back the change of 'Multiverse' to 'Infinite Worlds'. Cheesy
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« Reply #31 on: March 14, 2005, 10:35:11 PM »

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The entry is ready to go up, so can anyone give the list of the Crisis crossover issues?


Beppo already posted one somewhere.  It might even be a good idea to read them before writing the entry.
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