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« Reply #8 on: May 11, 2005, 09:47:54 PM »

While not canon, the ending of Red Son is just so perfect a bookend to the whole of the Superman myth it by rights ought to be. Check it out sometime, I think it'll make you smile. Smiley

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« Reply #9 on: May 11, 2005, 10:57:19 PM »

Golden Age Superman and the Earth-Two Superman might be genuinely alien as we have no evidence he ever had children with Lois nor any viable descendants.

Silver/Bronze Age aka Pre Crisis Superman is evidently human by the genetic definition of the species albeit by less rigourous species definitions he could still be considered alien.  In numerous Pre Crisis stories, he's had descendants with Terran humans such as the Superman of 2465 and The Exile at the Edge of Eternity.

http://superman.nu/a/400/exile/

Byrned Era Superman is evidently human going by Byrne's World of Krypton #6 where he specifically states this, the Armageddon 2001 stories where he interbreeds with Terran humans, Kingdom Come/The Kingdom & Jonathan, and the Superman Dynasty of DC One Million.

Birthright Superman seems to be possibly human going by the daughter Mxy says he and Lois could possibly have if they chose to have a baby.  It remains unknown if this child would be viable or a mule, so Waid's incarnation is suspect for humanity at this point.

BTW, Tales of the Legion of Super-Heroes #325 confirms that Daxam and Krypton have the same genetic heritage and the two humanoid races are really the same one.  Mon-El was taught that Daxam was the parent world and Krypton was the colony which jibes with the Kryp and Tonn story.
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« Reply #10 on: May 11, 2005, 11:17:23 PM »

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Every species invariably comes from two people...that origin of Krypton was probably modeled after the Adam and Eve story, to a degree...

True, but there would be certain "biological impurities" if the entire race came from two parents. That's assuming no other humanoid landed on the planet.
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« Reply #11 on: May 11, 2005, 11:20:49 PM »

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While not canon, the ending of Red Son is just so perfect a bookend to the whole of the Superman myth it by rights ought to be. Check it out sometime, I think it'll make you smile. Smiley

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That certainly was a good ending, and it made Superman a LITERAL "Man of Tomorrow." Despite the error of having Superman's ship land in 1938 (when the story clearly made that impossible--it should've landed in 1923), Red Son is nearly perfect.
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« Reply #12 on: May 16, 2005, 10:30:21 PM »

I just remembered that Superman/Batman referenced having the Kingdom Come Superman in their continuity at least at first.  KC Supes fits into the DC One Million timeline according to the Linear Men in an issue of DC One Million.  Both KC and DC1M have Kal successfully interbreeding with Terran humans.

Ergo, Birthright Superman is also human going by the genetic interbreeding criterion.
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« Reply #13 on: May 17, 2005, 12:45:38 AM »

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While not canon, the ending of Red Son is just so perfect a bookend to the whole of the Superman myth it by rights ought to be. Check it out sometime, I think it'll make you smile. Smiley

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I thought the ending was the ultimate irony both on what Krypton really was and who Superman was decended from.  :wink:
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« Reply #14 on: May 17, 2005, 03:28:17 PM »

What's disturbing is how Superman and Lois were attracted to each other in Red Son given how Lois is actually his own ancestor.
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« Reply #15 on: May 19, 2005, 07:04:33 AM »

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What's disturbing is how Superman and Lois were attracted to each other in Red Son given how Lois is actually his own ancestor.

Is it any more disturbing than Kara setting Kal up with women who look exactly like her?


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