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« on: May 14, 2005, 04:09:00 PM »

Reading over the online comics and few of my own collection I realized just how bad a kludge the writers had made of Krypton's history.  For example in Superman #141 (1960) were are told that Krypton has no space program in the time Kal-El parents are married and yet in an earlier story Jimmy Olsen had used a magical stick to send Superman back in time so Kal-El can meet his parents. But Olsen messed up and had it so Kal-EL would mate his parents. Kal-El has to save his parents who charged with some crime are exiled from Krypton in a space ship.

This causes all kinds of logic problems with Jor-EL sending everything but the kitchen sink to test his rockets; if Krypton had a space program advanced enough tp exile people than what the blazes was Jor-El testing? Elements in the Superman #141 story also contradict the Super-teacher stories.  Then you have Sun of Superman which conflicts with Action #574 in that the later story had a second planet orbiting Krypton's sun.

The story of Krypton's Second Doom from this stand point is just insane - we are asked that a planet that had little if any space travel could in a minimal amount of time build an artifical sun and a duplicate of Krypton so perfect that it fools Superman.

Did anybody actually set donw and straighen this mess out or was it largely ignored aside from the few times DC put out a digest with the older stories that made fans go 'Huh?'
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« Reply #1 on: May 15, 2005, 12:51:27 AM »

The easiest way to explain this was that Krypton did have a LIMITED space program.

Put weather control  satleites in orbit and colonize the moon of Weightor(added benifit of having a place to exile criminals).    Those rockets were designed to stay close to Krypton and used some form of energy collection panel(Solar Sailer from Tron comes to mind)

Now then, what Jor-El was probably testing was a new engine that could make the trip to Earth which means an FTL drive and a self-contained power source.
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« Reply #2 on: May 15, 2005, 04:45:28 AM »

Quote from: "ShinDangaioh"
The easiest way to explain this was that Krypton did have a LIMITED space program.

Put weather control  satleites in orbit and colonize the moon of Weightor(added benifit of having a place to exile criminals).    Those rockets were designed to stay close to Krypton and used some form of energy collection panel(Solar Sailer from Tron comes to mind)

Now then, what Jor-El was probably testing was a new engine that could make the trip to Earth which means an FTL drive and a self-contained power source.


It still leaves the major problem of the Krypton's second doom which would by its very nature require and extensive space program for the simple reason that an artifical sun and planet would have tore the real Krypton to shreads from tital forces.

Also this does not address the main issue of my post - that Krypton's history rather than its space program was all messed up.
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« Reply #3 on: May 17, 2005, 05:52:15 PM »

The discrepencies are due to the fact that Krypton and Daxam are often confused for one another.
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« Reply #4 on: May 18, 2005, 03:24:59 AM »

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The discrepencies are due to the fact that Krypton and Daxam are often confused for one another.


Mind explaining that one in a little more detail?
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« Reply #5 on: May 18, 2005, 10:52:48 PM »

Baby Kal El was the first Kryptonian off planet, (except perhaps for Krypto.)  Meanwhile Daxam had an extensive space program; the mere boy who became Monel had a craft.  Kinda like an earth teen with a car.

Certain stories such as "Jor El's golden folly" and so forth actually occured on Daxam earlier in it's history.  The stories are real but the names are changed because terrestrial authors, believing the stories to be about Krypton, used the few Kryptonian names that they knew.

I suspect that Ton was a Daxamite, but I have no solid evidence.  Just a hunch.
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« Reply #6 on: May 19, 2005, 12:20:53 AM »

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Certain stories such as "Jor El's golden folly" and so forth actually occured on Daxam earlier in it's history. The stories are real but the names are changed because terrestrial authors, believing the stories to be about Krypton, used the few Kryptonian names that they knew.


Where did you get this information or are you just assuming?
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« Reply #7 on: May 19, 2005, 07:09:27 AM »

Krypton's history was constantly in a state of flux back then. However, there were some things that were always constant (the Phantom Zone, Brainiac shrinking Kandor, ect). I consider Krypton's continuously changing history to just be a series of soft retcons. It wasn't really all that hard to understand, either.
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