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Author Topic: Who can save Superman now? KURT BUSIEK!  (Read 147590 times)
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« Reply #112 on: October 07, 2005, 05:48:21 AM »

I think Superman should be a genius, but should have a lesser intelligence than Brainiac, Luthor, and Jor-El. In addition, Superman's intelligence should not be a result of his super-powers--he's naturally intelligent. Superman would have a greater knowledge of advanced technology than Luthor and his mind would work much faster, but Luthor would be more naturally gifted. Luthor would be a super-genius in any time or civilization.

As for the order of intelligence, it should go something like this, in my view: Brainiac > Jor-El > Luthor > Superman > Batman

Batman would be a better strategist than any of these individuals, though. Not to mention his superb detective/deductive skills.
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« Reply #113 on: October 07, 2005, 07:05:23 AM »

The real Superman's IQ was super-human, but Jor-El was still always smarter and one can make the case that  Luthor and Brainiac were as well.

The current so-called "superman" person is usually written as an idiot, who rather solve problems with brute force rather than brains.


The true Superman didn't have a lot of faults, although many of his good traits could be exploited to hurt him, but that does not mean that he should have changed anything about himself.

The current superman is a mess with nothing but faults and not much to like or care about, who needs saving, thus this thread.
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« Reply #114 on: October 07, 2005, 01:04:07 PM »

The pre-Crisis Superman did have a problem with women and a fear of commitment.  He also has a problem with letting go of the past.  He kept his parent's house for years after they died.  I think he still had it by the time of the Crisis.  After Kandor was enlarged, he had a replica built and put on display in Kando's old position.  He actually has two replicas.

His entire philosphy of saying he will never marry because it would put someone in jeapordy falls flat with Lana Lang and her bio-ring.
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« Reply #115 on: October 07, 2005, 04:39:01 PM »

Pre Crisis Superman had another issue about women.  He was so incredibly chivalrous that he absolutely refused to hit a woman even if she were a super-powered villain.  That made for an interesting encounter when he had to face the Phantom Zoner, Faora Hu-Ul.  Faora also was a master of the Kryptonian marshall art of Horu Kanu and had a psychotic hatred of all men.  Superman was severely handicapped in trying to beat her and part of that was his own code of conduct with women.
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« Reply #116 on: October 07, 2005, 04:44:22 PM »

Kurt, T.M. Maple summed up best IMHO how to handle Superman's values about honesty and not killing.

http://superman.nu/a/maple.php

While some writers might make those liabilities, I think it would be best if these were shown in a more positive light.  As T.M. said, Superman should be super for morals too not just in his body.
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« Reply #117 on: October 07, 2005, 05:36:00 PM »

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The pre-Crisis Superman did have a problem with women and a fear of commitment.  He also has a problem with letting go of the past.  He kept his parent's house for years after they died.  I think he still had it by the time of the Crisis.  After Kandor was enlarged, he had a replica built and put on display in Kando's old position.  He actually has two replicas.

The thing is, Superman's fetish with statues and replicas is really about the artist wanting to draw cool and iconic stuff.  Same for the Batcave museum with Jason Todd's Robin costume, the dinosaur, and the big penny.  In any real-world context, such things would be creepy indeed, but do you count a trait that a character has for strictly visual purposes as a flaw?  It's like the litany of villains who have "must discuss their plan in great detail".  Would they really be that talkative in the real-world, or is that a device so you can have a word/thought balloon to set up a scene, a concession to the medium?
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« Reply #118 on: October 07, 2005, 05:41:46 PM »

It's less creepy than wax museums or taxidermy!

These things are no different than people having photo albums, home videos, and hanging photos, paintings, and mementos of love ones on their walls.
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« Reply #119 on: October 07, 2005, 05:57:55 PM »

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It's less creepy than wax museums or taxidermy!

These things are no different than people having photo albums, home videos, and hanging photos, paintings, and mementos of love ones on their walls.

Right, except they're so much larger (so they can be easily depicted).  Pictures is one thing, but making statues isn't that much different than a wax museum in my mind.  Pre-Crisis Superman should've been a sculptor in his secret identity.
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