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Author Topic: Klukor - the Kryptonian Martial Art  (Read 26206 times)
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« Reply #16 on: August 24, 2005, 05:42:55 PM »

I wish I had any of my comics from growing up...

It was Adventure # 346, and Karate Kid used classic quickeness and turning his opponents strength against him, before Superboy finally caught him and gave him a super vertical spin, one wall of the try out room was toast...
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« Reply #17 on: August 24, 2005, 05:46:54 PM »

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I wish I had any of my comics from growing up...

It was Adventure # 346, and Karate Kid used classic quickeness and turning his opponents strength against him, before Superboy finally caught him and gave him a super vertical spin, one wall of the try out room was toast...


Adventure Comics #346 was reprinted in Legion Archives vol. 5
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« Reply #18 on: August 25, 2005, 01:40:43 PM »

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Certain martial arts (such as judo and aikido) take advantage of an opponent's momentum. By shifting away from the opponent's intended line of attack and then redirecting this motion into a throw or takedown, one literally uses a foe's actions against himself. And yes, it IS true that the bigger and faster they are, the harder they will fall. Wink The trick is to keep the opponent off-balanced and not get into a situation when you have to match raw strength-on-strength.


I wrote a good 10 paragraphs on this just now, and some of my own experiences and then realised "This is a Superman forum idiot" hahaha. Talk about hijacking.  :lol:
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« Reply #19 on: August 25, 2005, 08:34:15 PM »

For those interested in reading the actual WF story with Hawkman beating-up three super-powered Kandorians ...

World's Finest #209 Feb. 1972 (SUPERMAN AND HAWKMAN). "Meet the Tempter ... and Die"

http://www.dcindexes.com/database/story-details.php?storyid=8344

I'm afraid I can't find an online version of the book, only those references and cover shot.  I guess you'll have to track down and buy the thing.

Superman was similarly taking on these guys in mid-air using Judo moves Batman taught him elsewhere in the book.  It's also noteworthy that sapper weapons that would have killed him in Kandor only stunned him in mid-air and Superman still could hover in that state.  The Kandorian henchmen remarked that if that blast didn't kill him, none ever would.  That's in keeping with Schwartz's theme back then of making Superman special and not just another Kryptonian empowered by our environment.

An interesting idea in that book was Superman had determined that Earth's ecology could only support the addition of a super-city like Kandor in one location (even if he could have enlarged it back then): Midway City aka Hawkman's stomping ground.  The fact that he enlarged it on another planet altogether in "Let My People Grow" later jibes with this earlier WF story.
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« Reply #20 on: September 06, 2005, 07:39:18 PM »

What little I've seen of Klurkor suggests that it was a sort of aikido or Judo style martial art intended to use an opponent's strength against them.

Faora was a follower of Zod, along with Quex-Ul, which implies that she has had some variety of military training. This implies that the ultra-pragmatism of Horu-Kanu and its use of fatal nerve strikes, may be related to some of the ultra-pragmatic martial arts used in the modern military, like Krav Maga, with their emphasis on KILLING an opponent before he can be a threat, things like kidney punches, neck-breaks, and so on. It would probably be useless to someone like Superman or Supergirl that has a code against killing, and who have defined enough of a sense of fair play as to not fight dirty.

Here's something that I just thought of: are the Phantom Zone criminals still alive come the 30th Century? Obviously in the Phantom Zone they do not age, and Mon-El was still around to be released.
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« Reply #21 on: September 06, 2005, 08:01:13 PM »

According to Adventure Comics #323, only one Kryptonian criminal survived in the Phantom Zone to the 30th century.  I forget his name but he was an older man and not a great fighter.  He was dying of old age on Krypton so he decided to destroy the planet with a quake producing machine so it wouldn't outlive him.  Jor-El defeated him and Gaz-Or (I think was his name) was sentenced to eternity in the PZ.

The other criminals either had served their sentences by the 30th century or they had escaped from there before that time (for the other lifers like Jer-Em).

Hey, I wonder if Jer-Em is related to Dev-Em.  They have the same family name.  Dev was a juvenile delinquent.  Jer was a fanatical religious zealot.  It seems just as the Els were the epitome of Kryptonian civilization, the Ems spawned the dregs.
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« Reply #22 on: September 06, 2005, 08:25:07 PM »

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According to Adventure Comics #323, only one Kryptonian criminal survived in the Phantom Zone to the 30th century.  I forget his name but he was an older man and not a great fighter.  He was dying of old age on Krypton so he decided to destroy the planet with a quake producing machine so it wouldn't outlive him.  Jor-El defeated him and Gaz-Or (I think was his name) was sentenced to eternity in the PZ.


Ah, thank you, Captain Kal! Man, poor Gaz-Or, they really threw the book at him.
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« Reply #23 on: September 06, 2005, 10:56:17 PM »

Actually, there is conflicting information about that.  Back in ADVENTURE COMICS #305, Mon-El is finally released for good, but wants to be projected back into the zone so he can talk to the criminals there one last time.  I don't recall who exactly was shown, but I think it was the usual guys (Jax-Ur, Professor Vakox, General Zod, etc.)

I suppose it's possible they got released/escaped in between those two issues, but unlikely.
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