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Author Topic: Worst Superman Stories?  (Read 24724 times)
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« Reply #56 on: September 11, 2005, 01:43:16 PM »

Actually, Superman did kill a handful or so of crooks and evildoers very early in the Golden Age.

I remember one story where Superman got involved in a (fictional) European war, and, if I recall correctly, hurled one warplane into an another, sending both crews to their deaths.
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« Reply #57 on: September 11, 2005, 10:51:46 PM »

It's actually pretty easy to spot bad Superman stories. If the writers try to fundamentally alter Superman or make him "tragically cool" then the story most likely won't be good. That doesn't mean that Superman can't change the way he feels or be anything other than static (even the pre-Crisis Superman restored Kandor), he just shouldn't be turned into a different character, so to speak.

In the nineties, the Powers That Be tried to change Superman quite a lot: Long-haired Superman, Electric Superman, Electric Red and Blue Superman, ect.  Needless to say, all of these ideas failed. People know who Superman is and who he isn't.
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« Reply #58 on: September 12, 2005, 07:05:38 PM »

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Superman did kill in the Sliver Age.

Just only "monsters". There were a few stories were he fought monsters that were even more powerful than him and he was forced to kill them.

But never, ever humanoids.


DC Comics Presents  Superman and Supergirl.  Kal and Kara were doing their best to kill Mongul by casuing War World to overload the brain synapases in Mongul's brain.

At the end of the story For the Man Who Has Everything, Superman was going to drop Mongul in a black hole.

Jimmy Olsen and the Magic Totem, Superman tricked a Kryptonian criminal into killing himself.

The Superman from the Superman cartoon killed the Parasite by allowing the Parasite to drain almost all of his energy and the Parasite blew up from being overloaded.

The Superman from the Superfriends cartoon was faced with a hard chioice.  He changed time by tossing dampening rods into the core of the sun Rao when he accidnetly went through a time-warp and Krypton didn't blow up.  He went back to Earth to find it  devestated, because he wasn't there to protect it, and he returned and removed the dampening rods.  Krypton blew up and Earth was saved.  One way or the other, he was going to kill billions of people.

Try to explain the last two on the Superman doesn't kill stance.
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« Reply #59 on: September 13, 2005, 05:45:36 AM »

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At the end of the story For the Man Who Has Everything, Superman was going to drop Mongul in a black hole.

Being dropped into a black hole would not have killed the pre-Crisis Mongul. He was practically as invulnerable as Superman.

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The Superman from the Superman cartoon killed the Parasite by allowing the Parasite to drain almost all of his energy and the Parasite blew up from being overloaded.

Which Superman cartoon series was this? It can't be the Bruce Timm version since that Parasite is still alive and well.

As for the other examples, I haven't seen them. Perhaps someone else could address them?
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« Reply #60 on: September 13, 2005, 02:21:17 PM »

The cartoon where Superman tricks the Parasite into killing himself?  It was the Filmation version of Superman that came out in 1965.  The companion series Superboy had Krypto flying around with Superboy.
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« Reply #61 on: September 13, 2005, 08:10:30 PM »

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The cartoon where Superman tricks the Parasite into killing himself?  It was the Filmation version of Superman that came out in 1965.  The companion series Superboy had Krypto flying around with Superboy.

Ah. I see. Thanks for clarifying.
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« Reply #62 on: September 22, 2005, 04:56:16 AM »

I think the Byrne-bashing gets a little heavy-handed on this list -- I've become less enamored of Byrne's version of Superman as time has gone on, though I do think that some sort of reboot was necessary for the character (would anyone here have complained had BIRTHRIGHT rather than MAN OF STEEL had come out in 1986?) -- but yeah, SUPERMAN (2nd series) #22 has real problems. Besides the plot holes (which Captain Kal has noted), the execution scene seems particularly pointless. Why not just let the Phantom Zone villains die from the lack of oxygen on the dead Earth, if they're to die at all?
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« Reply #63 on: September 22, 2005, 05:04:34 AM »

Byrne does it again:

http://www.comicon.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=012038

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