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« Reply #24 on: September 21, 2005, 06:57:29 PM »

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I don't think that everything that Byrne did was horrible, which on this board is probably heretical.



Now, where is that ban button...


Remember who you're talking to. You can't ban him unless you get him to say his name backwards. Even then, it's only for three months.


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« Reply #25 on: September 21, 2005, 07:17:52 PM »

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The notion of Superman not getting tired is an interesting one; if he has a constant stream of energy from a Yellow Sun. Though one wonders why he does not develop fatigue poisons that impair his function after a little while.


Well, first, the Sun cannot truly be his power source.  Both implied by the magnitude of his feats plus explicitly stated in various books, he possesses far more power than a single yellow star.  He's blasted a copy of Hal/GL with heat vision on the order of a hundred suns.  He's smashed an Intergang robot while feeling the power of a million suns swell up in his body (and not the first time according to that story).

Second, fatigue poisons only develop when one incurs an oxygen debt from using glucose/energy stores up faster than we can take in oxygen to process it completely into carbon dioxide and water.  Assuming his body is using Kryptonian matter analogues of these substances, he would only exert himself at these levels when facing someone of Kryptonian power-levels.  Also, an aspect of his super-metabolism, invulnerability, and perhaps super-speed is that should he develop such toxins, he would metabolize them far faster than we would so the recovery period would be hardly noticeable to us should it ever happen to him -- which should be extremely rarely if at all.
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« Reply #26 on: September 21, 2005, 07:45:29 PM »

Think "Fantastic Voyage", the Isaac Asimov novel, not the movie when it comes to Kandor.  The atoms and molecules were reduced in size in an extradimensional sense not compressed or proportionally had atoms removed.  That way, Kandorian metabolisms would still function normally since everything would've been reduced proportionally.  That also explains why a special oxygen tank was needed for Kandor: They couldn't breathe our air since it would be like us trying to breathe air molecules the size of golf balls, so the tank probably had miniaturized oxygen inside instead.
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« Reply #27 on: September 21, 2005, 07:52:56 PM »

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Superman's Alien Nature

The Martian Manhunter is more clearly "alien" than Superman is, having four hearts, nine senses, and his handsome beetle brow (which has gotten larger and larger as the decades have worn on, like Superman's S-shield). But here's a question: what are some ways that Superman differs from human beings physically (apart from the obvious, his amazing powers)? I know that Superman's blood type is identical or analagous to all four types, for example.


According to Critical Condition, he has an eight-chambered heart, biomagnetic processing in his lungs, mass-energy conversion in his digestive tract (and by extension in his cells, too), and heat vision organelles, at the very least.  According to a JLA story, the Atom found a denser than normal cellular structure.  These must be later manifestations of a solar-empowered body since the early Byrned Superman was virtually indistinguishable from a normal human down to the cellular level.  Also, Clark Kent in unpowered form is indistinguishable from a Terran human.  Ergo, the strange physiological characteristics shown in certain later stories probably reflect his powers acting on his body to 'evolve' it which disappears in his nonpowered state.  Think Ferro Lad/Colossus converting between flesh to metal form and back for an analogue here.

Pre Crisis, I don't think we had any evidence his body differed significantly from ours except for the fact of it being composed of Kryptonian atoms which became empowered in our environment.
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« Reply #28 on: September 21, 2005, 08:52:42 PM »

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That's because you have to get him to say it.

Unless you're trying to tell us that you and Byrne... nah, let's not even joke about that.
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« Reply #29 on: September 21, 2005, 09:15:30 PM »

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Well, first, the Sun cannot truly be his power source.  Both implied by the magnitude of his feats plus explicitly stated in various books, he possesses far more power than a single yellow star.  He's blasted a copy of Hal/GL with heat vision on the order of a hundred suns.  He's smashed an Intergang robot while feeling the power of a million suns swell up in his body (and not the first time according to that story).


I assumed that statements like this are colorful hyperbole; Shakespeare once said a character hates another "with the heat of a thousand suns." Which does not mean they actually experience the temperature of a thousand G-type stars!

One possible instance that may contradict this assertion, Superboy was able to be overpowered by the Sun-Eater during the Legion story arc, because supposedly, "it has the power of hundreds of yellow suns!" And statements were made such as "even Superboy, who gets his power from a yellow sun, is like a GNAT to IT!"

However, this does raise an interesting question, which is, is it possible that Superman uses an alternate power source apart from earth's sun? If so, what sort of power would it be, and what evidence could be pointed to for this phenomenon?

As a personal aside, I generally don't like this sort of theory that implies that what we know about a superhero (e.g. Superman getting his powers from something OTHER than Earth's yellow sun) is totally incorrect. For instance, a friend of mine argued on one occasion that scientifically speaking, it is likely the Flash changes into some type of energy when he moves at superspeed, not unlike the Negative Man or Monica Rambeau. While this sounds interesting, the fact is, that's NOT how the Flash's powers have been demonstrated or explained as working. The Flash runs really fast; he doesn't turn himself into particles and back again.

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Second, fatigue poisons only develop when one incurs an oxygen debt from using glucose/energy stores up faster than we can take in oxygen to process it completely into carbon dioxide and water.  Assuming his body is using Kryptonian matter analogues of these substances, he would only exert himself at these levels when facing someone of Kryptonian power-levels.  Also, an aspect of his super-metabolism, invulnerability, and perhaps super-speed is that should he develop such toxins, he would metabolize them far faster than we would so the recovery period would be hardly noticeable to us should it ever happen to him -- which should be extremely rarely if at all.


Hmm, that makes sense if you assume Superman's inexhaustability is a threshold that is above human levels, instead of an "all or nothing" phenomenon (he either never gets tired or he does). Though Superman's super-metabolism is an interesting explanation for why fatigue never develops.
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« Reply #30 on: September 21, 2005, 09:25:14 PM »

While it may be considered mere hyperbole, two factors tend to dismiss this.

One is that the text is speaking of a physical phenomenon instead of an emotional analogue.

The other is that it jibes quite nicely with his ability to shatter a planet.  FYI, it takes almost a million suns to blow-up the Earth, which our Man of Steel most assuredly could do.  Tossing the Earth around like he did to move it out of the way of the Parasite's laser-beam is on the order of a hundred galaxies (100 billion sun each).  Taking on supernovae and even reversing them as he's done on several occasions is similarly in the galaxy-class.  Blowing out stars, 'nuff said.

I did say the textual references are also supported by his actual feats.
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« Reply #31 on: September 21, 2005, 11:46:40 PM »

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The other is that it jibes quite nicely with his ability to shatter a planet.  FYI, it takes almost a million suns to blow-up the Earth, which our Man of Steel most assuredly could do.



WHAT?!? Please post reference for that little tidbit.

Here is a FAQ about our Sun:

Q: How many Earths can fit into the Sun?
A: About 1,000,000.

Q: How big is the Sun?
A: Enormous! It may look small in the sky, but that's because it is so far away. It's about 800,000 miles (more than 1 million kilometers) across more than 100 Earths could fit across the Sun's face. Some stars are hundreds of times wider than the Sun!

Q: How hot is the Sun?
A: Deep in the core, the temperature is an amazing 27 million degrees Fahrenheit (15 million degrees Celsius)! The surface of the Sun is almost 11,000 degrees Fahrenheit (6000 degrees Celsius). The Sun's outer atmosphere (corona) is about 2 million degrees Fahrenheit (1million degrees Celsius).

Q: How will our Sun end its days?
A: Our Sun will end its days by expanding to the size of Earth's orbit and puffing off its outer layers at that time we would call it a red giant star. Eventually, all that will remain is a tiny core (a white dwarf star) about the size of Earth. Earth will be burnt to a crisp, but this won't happen for about 5 BILLION years so don't start packing your bags for Alpha Centauri just yet!
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