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« Reply #24 on: November 27, 2005, 04:29:25 AM »

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Ar-Thur8691, I'm not entirely sure Hal Jordan has come back, the sluggish publishing schedule notwithstanding.  The issues that are coming out are drenched in gore and darkness which is a far cry from the soaring space opera and fun of the original Hal stories.  This guy has Hal's name and the book is titled Green Lantern but it doesn't resemble the legendary Hal tales in any other way.  Same goes for the cancelled The Spectre series by J.M. DeMatteis.


That's what I'm saying...

I don't come down on the current era as much as some people, but Good Lord, I'll be having nightmares from the shark issue alone.

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some "classic" artists got by with unusual poses, others like Swan could just DRAW...


You know, it took me some time to really appreciate Curt Swan. Definetly the definitive Superman artist or at least the top two. :wink:
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« Reply #25 on: November 30, 2005, 11:16:43 PM »

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Careful, MatterEaterLad, or else guys like Kuuga will come down on you for pushing for more realistic comics art instead of interpretive or even cartoony art that somehow is 'more expressive'.  I don't see it that way, but to each their own.

On my worst/best day, I've not gotten that worked up over anatomical correctness in comics.  OTOH, I learned to accept the distortions of the SA Justice League art like Dillin and McLaughlin so I'm a lot more forgiving of anatomical gaffes.

Ar-Thur8691, I'm not entirely sure Hal Jordan has come back, the sluggish publishing schedule notwithstanding.  The issues that are coming out are drenched in gore and darkness which is a far cry from the soaring space opera and fun of the original Hal stories.  This guy has Hal's name and the book is titled Green Lantern but it doesn't resemble the legendary Hal tales in any other way.  Same goes for the cancelled The Spectre series by J.M. DeMatteis.


The heck? I'm not sure at what point I have ever come down on realistic art. Man, if I hated realistic art then why would I say that I like Alex Ross or suggest Alan Davis as an artist for All Star? Why would have been griping about Garcia Lopez penicls getting butchered by Klaus Janson inks on his JLA run? I have defended "cartoony" art as not being this inferior thing, and yes I like it very much and I've defended Ed McGuiness specifically but I have never said that realistic art is bad.
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« Reply #26 on: December 02, 2005, 07:57:15 PM »

I don't think that Benes is a bad artist -- wonky anatomy doesn't necessarily bother me, it's not like Jack Kirby drew people accurately after all -- but (a) I hate the way he draws eyes, and (b) he oversexualizes all the women he draws. I really don't need to see worm's-eye shots of Lois Lane's ass. It's just not apropriate.
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« Reply #27 on: December 03, 2005, 04:35:53 AM »

I don't think MEL was coming down on you Cap. I like a lot of today's group of artists. Although alot of them do tend to oversex the gals. I blame Jessica Rabbit. :wink:
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« Reply #28 on: December 03, 2005, 04:40:46 AM »

No, it was a totally different point...Kirby's exaggerations were almost always in a manner that cartooned character, heads and faces, height...my criticism is aimed at those that exaggerate muscular development to the point that the muscles make no sense...I guess both might set some people off, but gawd, look at Power Girl lately...
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« Reply #29 on: December 03, 2005, 04:48:20 PM »

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No, it was a totally different point...Kirby's exaggerations were almost always in a manner that cartooned character, heads and faces, height...my criticism is aimed at those that exaggerate muscular development to the point that the muscles make no sense...I guess both might set some people off, but gawd, look at Power Girl lately...


But the PowerGirl thing is a bit different than they stylization of muscles we're talking about because with Power Girl for the longest time they have drawn her as an almost female wrestler type build (with huge merchandise). I guess to distinguish her from whatever version of Supergirl is around.

Recently, I've noticed though that they have a tendancy to slim her down. I guess in an effort to make her more attractive. (But they kept the huge merchandise).
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« Reply #30 on: December 03, 2005, 05:01:58 PM »

Well, her quadraceps here look pretty insane, especially since she is just in a standing pose, not oiled and flexing...

http://www.newsarama.com/dcnew/JSA/JSA82Pre.htm
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« Reply #31 on: December 03, 2005, 05:40:18 PM »

Power Girl has recently been featured in "JSA: Classified #1-4", "Infinite Crisis" and will appear in "JSA #82".  It is interesting to compare the latest interpretations of PeeGee's much-caricatured anatomy:

Amanda Connor's covers for "JSA: Classified":

http://www.comixfan.com/xfan/images/previews/dc/0705/JSAClassifiedCv1A.jpg

http://64.34.172.56/g/albums/Comics/DCComics/December_05/JSAClassifiedCv4.jpg


Adam Hughes alternate covers:

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b170/karasfortress/solicits/jsaclassified01b.jpg

http://www.hillcity-comics.com/comics/09_14_05_31.jpg


Jim Lee's "teaser" cover for "Infinite Crisis #2":

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b170/karasfortress/solicits/infinitecrisis02a.jpg

(A new DC Direct "Infinite Crisis" Power Girl figure will be based on Jim Lee's depiction.)


George Perez' artwork for "JSA #82":

http://www.newsarama.com/dcnew/JSA/JSA82Pre.htm


It is interesting that had Supergirl not perished so early, her muscular development might have more closely resembled her Earth-2 "sister", at least in "Elseworld's Finest:  Supergirl and Batgirl":

http://supergirl.astraldream.net/covers/elseworld1.jpg
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