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Author Topic: ALL-STAR SUPERMAN--they brought the classic emblem back!  (Read 14938 times)
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« Reply #8 on: October 01, 2005, 05:47:42 PM »

I hold DC editorial accountable for a lot of what went wrong with Birthright, too (although it has been faring better as a TPB). But I still think fan close-mindedness was the bigger culprit. It's what helped sink Trinity, after all. As far as the emblem goes, I was game to see what the redesign looked like until I saw it in practice. It just looks off to me. As far as the "Iron Age" look of the reinserted classic emblem, the Quitely original was already gigantic. So to me, that's not an issue. (Rumor has it that Quitely's still not finished with issue #2 after having nearly a year's lead time, which gives me major pause. Travis Charest got tons of lead time on Wildcats, and he still couldn't handle the schedule.) To me, the emblem should have been addressed early on and dealt with. Waiting to get the mixed reaction to the emblem from the previews before taking action was a mistake.

Then again, hiring an artist who from the sound of things isn't capable of handling a regular schedule and whose style is violently polarizing the readership wasn’t the best idea, either. If an artist can’t handle a monthly schedule, or least can’t whack out four or five issues before needing a fill-in, why hire that person in the first place? Why not hire someone more capable to do the honors? I remember when Ed Benes first took over Superman, and just about EVERYBODY was going wild about his artwork. Aside from one fill-in from Tony Daniel, Benes has been doing very well for himself on that book. Why didn’t DC get HIM to do All-Star Superman? He’s got a style just about everybody loves, his Superman is fittingly iconic, he can manage more than two issues a year…why didn’t DC shoot for that? Or even Ivan Reis, whose art was the sole thing about Chuck Austen’s Action run that got unceasing kudos? (He’s now said to be taking over Green Lantern following Pacheco and Van Sciver.) They’ve got tons of artistic talent at DC, guys who put Quitely to shame in just about every capacity. Guys who could crank out a monthly book without much trouble and give the book the "iconic" look ALL-STARS is supposed to have. It wouldn’t have taken much effort to pick one of those guys, put them on All-Star Superman, and said "Run with it." Instead we get a guy who apparently is still way behind on the book and whose style is leaving people split down the middle.

I have to agree with the assessment that Leinil Yu did more harm than good to Birthright (his art grew on me, but I could see why others were alienated by it), and that Quitely’s going to do exactly the same thing to All-Star Superman. But if he can’t even make the schedule with a year’s worth of lead time, that’s going to be an even bigger problem. Green Lantern’s been running into trouble due to artist-related delays (especially with Pacheco and Van Sciver leaving), and that’s something a judicious artist change could easily correct. If the best All-Star can manage is two issues or so a year, what’s the point? You might as well not bother making it a monthly book and just release it as a graphic novel. It’s ridiculous, because this book sounded so promising at first. But after the sketches, the previews, the changes to the art post-preview, and now rumors that Quitely’s still falling behind, this book’s looking like it’s not going to live up to its promise. DC should have manned up, made all its creative decisions early on, gotten an artist who could handle the schedule, and been done with it. Instead this looks like a mess. And it didn't have to be.
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« Reply #9 on: October 01, 2005, 06:20:53 PM »

I have not seen Ed Benes's artwork since Many Happy Returns, there he seem to have a problem drawing men, though no problem drawing women Smiley I heard that he has improved a lot when it comes to men, so can you post some links to his latest artwork and his latest versions of Superman.

I am not a fan of Frank Quietly, but I do not hate his stuff, the colorist is really great on All-Star Superman, so he is making him look a lot better than he would have.

Frank Quietly got hired because Grant Morrison demanded him to get hired and DC caved in, though but the looks of things, DC seems to not like him as much as Grant.

And don't listen to Rumors on-line! That started off as a joke about Frank Quietly being so slow, it is not really true, people just took it as such.
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« Reply #10 on: October 01, 2005, 06:44:08 PM »

My own uconfirmed suspicion about artists is you get what you pay for.

The better artists cost more, or at least I'd pay them more to do the same books.

Notice how the books that are struggling or need a boost get the great artists (and to a lesser degree, the better writers)?

Notice how when a book is doing well that we're suddenly treated to some bad rate second-stringer of an artist and/or writer?  That's when the publisher thinks they can coast off the sheer rep of the good material so they've cut their costs of production to increase their friggin' profit margin.

Superman being one of the biggest characters at DC tends to be almost guaranteed drek artists for his books.  DC is counting on the sheer name of the character to carry the day so they can get away with substandard art.

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« Reply #11 on: October 02, 2005, 03:39:28 AM »

Ed Benes:
http://www.dccomics.com/media/covers/4565_400x600.jpg
http://www.dccomics.com/media/covers/4401_400x600.jpg
http://img270.imageshack.us/img270/4637/124ns.jpg
http://img270.imageshack.us/img270/1478/210vo.jpg
http://img270.imageshack.us/img270/9149/258ol.jpg
http://img352.imageshack.us/img352/7026/074ly.jpg
http://img308.imageshack.us/img308/5219/edbenessupes4we.jpg
http://img283.echo.cx/img283/3412/edbenessuperman21gy.jpg

One of many terrific artists DC could have given All-Star Superman to. And I dare say he might have done better with Birthright than Yu did.
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« Reply #12 on: October 02, 2005, 03:47:44 AM »

Comparing  Frank Quitely to Ed Benes is like comparing Curt Swan to Dan Jurgens.

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« Reply #13 on: October 02, 2005, 03:52:45 AM »

Every muscle like an airbrushed meatloaf applied to a skeleton...

Blech... Cool
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« Reply #14 on: October 02, 2005, 03:56:55 AM »

http://www.dccomics.com/media/covers/4565_400x600.jpg

Suffering sappho, is that a neck or two ionic columns with a picture of Montgomery Burns in the middle?
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« Reply #15 on: October 02, 2005, 05:07:05 AM »

Quote from: "MatterEaterLad"
http://www.dccomics.com/media/covers/4565_400x600.jpg

Suffering sappho, is that a neck or two ionic columns with a picture of Montgomery Burns in the middle?


Are those scales on his neck?  :shock:


also why is Superman Asian?
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