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« Reply #184 on: November 03, 2005, 03:57:16 PM »

... man, I'm darn well excited about this idea. The first superhero, voluntarily leaving his 'paradise' in a time of widespread death, destruction and distrust to set the heroes of the DCU on the right track? Could turn out fantastic...  Cheesy
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« Reply #185 on: November 03, 2005, 05:05:00 PM »

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... man, I'm darn well excited about this idea. The first superhero, voluntarily leaving his 'paradise' in a time of widespread death, destruction and distrust to set the heroes of the DCU on the right track? Could turn out fantastic...


Me too. It's hard to mess up with using a guy like Kal-L, provided that you write him correctly.

This brings up an interesting point: Kal-L is visibly responding to the innappropriately dismal trends that have made the DCU very different in recent times; the rift between Batman and Superman, the JLA brainwashing people Doc Savage-style, the united villains, and so on. If they're bringing him back in a big way so he can fix things, there's no way the outcome of this will be something untrue to the spirit of DC and superhero comics.

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Eh... think kids might like some educational-ish stuff on TV, but only if it's done well. Or entertainment shows with semi-educational tidbits thrown in (such as some of the songs on "Animaniacs")...


Hey, I'm not saying that - I  used to be a big fan of 3-2-1 CONTACT and MYTHQUEST, but where CBS made their mistake is turning their lineup over to educational programming that didn't have the sugar of funny stuff or cartoon animals to make the medicine go down. Though, hey: I can never bring myself to say anything bad about PEE WEE'S PLAYHOUSE. We only get a genius like Ruebens once a generation.
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« Reply #186 on: November 03, 2005, 06:27:04 PM »

Actually kids love to learn.  Otherwise they would not always be asking questions.  Too often "written for children" means written down to children.  Nobody likes to be condescended or "talked down" to.  And children can usually notice pdq when they are being condescended to.  Thank Rao for the fact that "Captain Planet" is in the "dustbin of history".  It was little more than socialist propaganda.  


       So far Infinite Crisis looks like it might be good.  Kind of cool to see Kal-L again.  Hopefully the rest of the story (& its aftereffects) is good, if not great.  We will see.
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« Reply #187 on: November 03, 2005, 10:40:50 PM »

Cheesy  And what's wrong with socialist propoganda?

Actually, I loved Captain Planet as a kid. I didn't know what "flaming homosexual environmentalist" meant at the time...I just knew that the bad greedy people were trying to pollute the earth, and that they were bad.

Felt bad for the guy whose power ring only let him talk to monkeys though.
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« Reply #188 on: November 03, 2005, 11:28:55 PM »

Yeah, screw the Earth!

All hail pollution!

no wait..

anyway, I thought it was a good show as a kid, a bit preachy though Wink

http://www.turner.com/planet/
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« Reply #189 on: November 04, 2005, 03:09:22 AM »

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Actually kids love to learn.  Otherwise they would not always be asking questions.  Too often "written for children" means written down to children.  Nobody likes to be condescended or "talked down" to.  And children can usually notice pdq when they are being condescended to.  Thank Rao for the fact that "Captain Planet" is in the "dustbin of history".  It was little more than socialist propaganda.


"Captain Planet" suffered from a host of villians that for the most part belonged in straitjackets in the cell next to the Joker; of the bunch only Sludge, Greedly,  and Plunder had anything remotely like 'realistic' motives. It had all the bad aspects of the Silver Age Superman stories with none of the good aspects.
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« Reply #190 on: November 05, 2005, 04:50:31 PM »

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... man, I'm darn well excited about this idea. The first superhero, voluntarily leaving his 'paradise' in a time of widespread death, destruction and distrust to set the heroes of the DCU on the right track? Could turn out fantastic...


Me too. It's hard to mess up with using a guy like Kal-L, provided that you write him correctly.

This brings up an interesting point: Kal-L is visibly responding to the innappropriately dismal trends that have made the DCU very different in recent times; the rift between Batman and Superman, the JLA brainwashing people Doc Savage-style, the united villains, and so on. If they're bringing him back in a big way so he can fix things, there's no way the outcome of this will be something untrue to the spirit of DC and superhero comics.



Provided you write him correctly. Provided you write him with the very spirit you're talking about in mind. Has this regime done anything to prove that they know or care about such a spirit?

Seems to me that if this regimes track record is any indication, they're setting Kal-L up just to knock him down.
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« Reply #191 on: November 05, 2005, 07:52:14 PM »

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Provided you write him correctly. Provided you write him with the very spirit you're talking about in mind. Has this regime done anything to prove that they know or care about such a spirit?


Actually, YES, now that you mention it, Kuuga: the return of the Hal Jordan Green Lantern, Geoff Johns' impressive work on series like JSA (everything except his dumb snoozefest SUPERMAN/BATMAN), Power Girl's origin making sense, the return of the Silver Age Luthor, three fun miniseries: RANN/THANAGAR WAR (featuring an enjoyable stories making use of Silver Age great Captain Comet and all those fabulous enemies) the VILLAINS UNITED series (making wonderful use of Catman - if only EVERY superhero was as cool as he was!).

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Seems to me that if this regimes track record is any indication, they're setting Kal-L up just to knock him down.


In the words of Leonard Nimoy's IN SEARCH OF...  series: "that's a possibility, but not necessarily the only one." Geoff Johns is a much more talented man than Marv Wolfman is. A DC Universe created by Johns would - provided with the same level of ability and concientiousness as his "Return of Hawkman" (which made Hawkman make sense again) - make a DC Universe that makes more sense.
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