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Author Topic: Pre Crisis -> Post Crisis -> Post Infinite Crisis?  (Read 10296 times)
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« Reply #8 on: November 10, 2005, 01:28:36 PM »

Before the Crisis, the Multiverse was a by-and-large consistent continuum with rules that mostly were followed and a history that was more or less respected and adhered to.  After the Crisis, the DCU was a place of ever-shifting rules, ever-changing "history" and conflicting "continuities," a place where "reality" differed not only from book to book, but from issue to issue of individual books.

Thus, I look at the designations as you would, say, "Roman Empire" and "Post-Empire".  Before, there was order and a system, afterwards chaos and anarchy.  Or in terms of dinosaur history, its like "Pre-Asteroid" and "Post-Asteroid," or if you're from the South, Antebellum and post-War.

My point being, the Post-Crisis era is far from cohesive and ultimately is defined less by what has been built, or any hard and fast rules, than by what it took away.  Unless this new Crisis builds a new continuity and enforces a new company-wide vision across all books, I will view it as merely a continuation of the Post-Crisis era.

Or to put it in maybe a less confrontational way, I really don't think we'll see the kind of wholesale reboot of character histories, power levels, etc that we had in 86.  Superman of 2006 will not differ from Superman of 2001 to anything like the degree Superman of 1987 differed from Superman of 1983.

As Mr. Spock once said, "A difference which makes no difference is no difference."
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« Reply #9 on: November 10, 2005, 03:01:20 PM »

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If the Multiverse really had an infinite amount of Earths, then all that the Anti-Monitor did was destroy is super tiny fraction of them.
 

Exactly!  He didn't know how BIG it all was.  He DID destroy countless Supermen (Supermans?) and all the rest, but just as many (if not more) not only survived, but there are countless Supermans (Supermen?) that never even HEARD of the Anti-Monitor!  

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]There is STILL an Earth-2 that was UNTOUCHED by the COIE. The Multiverse was simply TOO BIG for the Anti-Monitor to realize that. For every Earth-1 he destroyed, FIVE of them survived!


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More like 5 duotrigintillion! (google it Wink )


Yeah, but I just didn't want to cause anyone's head to explode!   :lol:
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« Reply #10 on: November 10, 2005, 04:49:25 PM »

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As Mr. Spock once said, "A difference which makes no difference is no difference."


I don't think Spock actually said that in the series per canon.  He said that in James Blish's "Spock Must Die!" novel.

If you're versed in Cantor's Transfinite mathematics, subtracting infinity from infinity still leaves infinity.  IOW, the Anti-Monitor could have wiped out an infinite number of universes and still left an infinite number over.  Now, if we're talking different levels of infinity like Aleph-null, Aleph-1, etc. that's a different matter.

Berganza has said on his Ask Eddie forum that the mulitverse is bigger than we originally thought when asked about DC returning to a multiverse.  This jibes with the above reasoning.
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« Reply #11 on: November 10, 2005, 04:55:33 PM »

While the Anti-Monitor might not be able to sweep his anti-matter wall through ALL positive matter Infinite Earths, one could argue that the Battle at the Dawn of Time in Crisis #10 finished the job by preventing the Multiverse from actually forming in the first place.  At least we've been led to believe that starting in Crisis #11 there was only ONE positive matter Univese (Earth-Sigma) and the anti-matter universe of Qwaad.

But it's not clear if the Merged Earth ever left the Netherverse that was created to safeguard the Five Worlds -- it's possible that whatever remains of the Multiverse is still "outside".

Also, the Big Bang was repeated twice since the Crisis -- both in Zero Hour and in Our Worlds at War.  There were opportunities to "sneak" the Multiverse back when nobody was looking.
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« Reply #12 on: November 10, 2005, 05:04:48 PM »

All kinds of different kinds of multiverses are possible, even at different levels that could augment each others' numbers.

Check this summary article on Wikipedia out that has the same info as the Scientific American one:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiverse

The original DCU multiverse was based on vibrational frequency differences which are a separate category from the ones in that article.  Even if the vibrational multiverse ceased to be, the quantum versions, etc. would continue to exist and proliferate.
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« Reply #13 on: November 10, 2005, 05:05:07 PM »

Or, one COULD say the Big Bang ONLY took place in that one universe/multiverse.  Wink
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« Reply #14 on: November 10, 2005, 05:05:53 PM »

See my post above yours, Gernot.  We posted at the same time.
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« Reply #15 on: November 10, 2005, 05:07:45 PM »

LOL  I caught that, Cap!  LOL  

"Great minds", etc.  Wink
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