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Author Topic: IC#2 - those last pages are something -lots of spoilers here  (Read 33009 times)
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« Reply #32 on: November 12, 2005, 09:24:54 PM »

Interesting side note, Did anyone else pick up on when powergirl said that Superman prposes to lis on top of the Daily Star building? this doesn't match what happened in the tale Superman takes a bride.  They got maried while Clark forgot that he was Superman. So point to poner, is this truely the E-2 couple we've been hoping for?
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« Reply #33 on: November 12, 2005, 11:34:52 PM »

See Earth-2 Superman give the Iron Age Superman the what for:

http://www.newsarama.com/dcnew/Feb06/DCU/InfiniteCrisisCv5Perez.jpg

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« Reply #34 on: November 13, 2005, 12:03:14 AM »

LOL, kind of a nice image no matter what your generation might be... Cool
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« Reply #35 on: November 13, 2005, 12:24:11 AM »

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Interesting side note, Did anyone else pick up on when powergirl said that Superman prposes to lis on top of the Daily Star building? this doesn't match what happened in the tale Superman takes a bride.  They got maried while Clark forgot that he was Superman. So point to poner, is this truely the E-2 couple we've been hoping for?


Well, part of why I consider Johns overrated is his sloppy, shoddy research.  You have a case in point above.

I suppose we might cut him some slack if we remember that Clark Kent married Lois Lane first, but when they rediscovered his secret identity, Superman decided to wed Lois as well using Kryptonian customs in his Secret Citadel.  While it wasn't shown in the original wedding issue,  a scene might be shoehorned in between Superman with Lois in their Metropolis home and the flight to the Citadel that he got the coal from Zriff (or was that supposed to be Mxy's 'Zrff'?), compressed it into a diamond, then proposed atop the Daily Star building.



But that's a heckuva lotta 'supposing' just to wipe out Johns' sloppy research.

I don't think Superman originally had any kind of ulterior motives in coming to the mainstream DCU.  He came precisely why he said he did to save it from itself.  Lois was dying from normal aging in the other realm and she didn't get so bad until after he brought her back to the real DCU.  Since she was otherwise fine and even better off in the other realm, he cannot be faulted for an ulterior motive here.

Now, he does have much happier memories of his Earth-2 history which conflict with the abyssmal hell of the Iron Age DCU he's been observing.  Of course, he'd think his old Earth would be an improvement over the one he's just witnessed in comparison.  But I didn't get the sense that he specifically intended to retrofit E-2 into the mainstream DCU as the replacement.  He did say their old Earth was forgotten and this dark world needed to be just as forgotten.

"This corrupted and darkened Earth must be forgotten as ours was ... so that the right Earth can return."
-- E-2 Superman to Power Girl, Infinite Crisis #2, final page, panel 4.
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« Reply #36 on: November 13, 2005, 12:29:36 AM »

It must be noted just how friggin' powerful the E-2 Superman is in IC #2.  He easily decks Giganta, Mr. Atom, and the rest of those villains -- like an afterthought.

Mr. Atom in particular is able to give Captain Marvel a tough time, so the fact that this Superman reduced the robot to scrap metal in a twinkling is telling indeed.

Also note the below quote:

"The clouds part.  The yellow sun welcomes me back."
-- E-2 Superman's thoughts, Infinite Crisis #2, page 5, panel 5

Just after that panel and sun exposure, this Superman trashes all the villains threatening Power Girl.

Another thing, if he needed that sun exposure to be back up to full power like that, then that means his being trapped in the other realm and busting out is a much greater feat since he wasn't at full strength when he did so.

Oh, an afterthought of my own: Neither Jim Lee nor Phil Jimenez are drawing E-2 Superman's shield correctly.  It has a flat stroke joining the bottom of the 'S' to the right of the shield, not a curlicue like the E-1 Superman's shield.  Jimenez even puts the E-1 shield on E-2 Superman's cape outright when showing them viewing mainstream Earth from the other realm.
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« Reply #37 on: November 13, 2005, 12:56:57 AM »

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Oh, an afterthought of my own: Neither Jim Lee nor Phil Jimenez are drawing E-2 Superman's shield correctly.  It has a flat stroke joining the bottom of the 'S' to the right of the shield, not a curlicue like the E-1 Superman's shield.  Jimenez even puts the E-1 shield on E-2 Superman's cape outright when showing them viewing mainstream Earth from the other realm.


You are missing the point that his suit was trashed at the end of Crisis, so this is a new one and thus the new design Smiley
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« Reply #38 on: November 13, 2005, 01:01:11 AM »

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LOL, kind of a nice image no matter what your generation might be... Cool


Let's face it, we have all wished something like that would happen someday. The Earth-1 Superman is too nice to beat the holy crap out of his whiny and lame iron age counterpart, but the good old Earth-2 Superman, is more than happy to kick it old school and try to knock some sense into him and perhaps maybe get him to start acting like a real Superman who isn't an embarrassment and a disgrace to the name.
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« Reply #39 on: November 13, 2005, 01:05:45 AM »

Not really, Super Monkey re: wrong E-2 shield.

That doesn't explain why Jimenez has E-2 Superman's shield drawn wrong in that flashback scene during the Multiverse days capturing E-2 Luthor in parallel with E-1 Superman capturing his own Earth's Luthor in the next panel.  Surely, any damage incurred during the last Crisis wouldn't be retroactive to a past multiverse that technically didn't exist anymore, right?

Jimenez gets E-2 Superman's alternate shield consistent except for that one backview panel in the other realm where suddenly it's the classic E-1 shield.

Naah, Jimenez goofed -- big time!
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