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« on: December 15, 2005, 08:50:04 AM »

Just read Super Monkey's Von Kamp entry at Supermanica:
http://superman.nu/wiki/index.php/Von_Kamp

Doesn't that sound like Adrian Veidt and his secret plan in Watchmen?
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« Reply #1 on: December 15, 2005, 03:27:27 PM »

The secret island, yes. The rest, no. Veidt wasn't anything close to a Nazi nor a mobster.
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« Reply #2 on: December 16, 2005, 01:02:35 AM »

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Just read Super Monkey's Von Kamp entry at Supermanica:
http://superman.nu/wiki/index.php/Von_Kamp

Doesn't that sound like Adrian Veidt and his secret plan in Watchmen?


Actually, "Sending a criminal eye in the sky" sounds more like what's being done in DC Comics these days, via OMAC...
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« Reply #3 on: December 16, 2005, 03:18:13 AM »

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The secret island, yes. The rest, no. Veidt wasn't anything close to a Nazi nor a mobster.


Just a capitalist and mass-murderer.
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« Reply #4 on: December 19, 2005, 03:44:59 PM »

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The secret island, yes. The rest, no. Veidt wasn't anything close to a Nazi nor a mobster.


Just a capitalist and mass-murderer.


Yes, but a person who murders because because of hatred or for personal gain is vastly different than one who murders because he thinks the ends justify the means. Neither is a good thing, but they are different varieties of bad.
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« Reply #5 on: December 19, 2005, 09:33:34 PM »

Veidt seems more like a socialist than a capitalist.  Plus most nazis believed they were helping "create a better world".  Communist/socialist dictators (like; Pol Pot, Stalin, Mao, etc.) murdered millions of people.  They to believed they were creating a better world.   The nazis, communists, & the fictional Veidt all believed that "the ends justifys the means".
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« Reply #6 on: December 20, 2005, 07:23:14 AM »

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Veidt seems more like a socialist than a capitalist.  Plus most nazis believed they were helping "create a better world".  Communist/socialist dictators (like; Pol Pot, Stalin, Mao, etc.) murdered millions of people.  They to believed they were creating a better world.   The nazis, communists, & the fictional Veidt all believed that "the ends justifys the means".


Fascism is a disease --or more accurately a symptom-- of capitalism (as are, arguably, some of the extreme horrors perpetrated in the name of socialism --Stalinism, etc).

Veidt, the multi-millionaire investor and manufacturer, who marketed his image to the consumers of the world and functioned as an arms dealer/manufacturer (Daddy Warbucks), was most definitely not a socialist in Watchmen.  Capitalist, investor, businessman, corporate raider, whatever.  But not a socialist.

Given Moore's politics (or what I understand of them: "crypto-anarchist hippie magician" is how I would describe them), the character of Veidt reads as an implied critique of capitalism and and its exemplars (Warner/DC, etc).  Just as the Comedian can be read as a critique of US foreign policy from Korea on.  Or maybe he's just a fun homage to Charlton Comics.
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« Reply #7 on: December 20, 2005, 01:02:57 PM »

I don't think Veidt was a capitalist, communist, or a socialist. I feel that he would view money merely as a means to create his own vision of a perfect world--basically, he'd use it like he used other people. He seems like an extremist utilitarian to me.

Given Veidt's fondness for the past, I'd say his vision of the perfect world would be something similar to the one found in The Republic by Plato. He'll just do anything to achieve his goals.
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