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« Reply #8 on: February 25, 2006, 11:19:40 PM »

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Oh, man, Superdickery is going to have a FIELD DAY with that cover.

Not to sound all sniveling and Gollum-like, but "...the master would never hurtses us!" C'mon, this is Geoff Johns, the guy that treated the crossdressing, butch female Red Tornado with dignity and respect; you think he can't spare a cup of that for the first Superhero ever?

But hey, WIZARD magazine wouldn't jump to crazy conclusions, right? I mean, that might compromise their storied reputation for journalistic integrity!

Now, is it wrong of me to find that, on a cover where some artist messes with the classic Ditko Spider-Man duds, Superman looks all wild-eyed and crazy banging earths together, that the single most terrifying thing on that cover is the idea of FAMILY GUY comics? Oy.

What happened to those grand old TOP CAT comics and the ADVENTURES OF BOB HOPE? Now, don't get me wrong, I love flatulence and midgets as much as the next red blooded comedy lover, but FAMILY GUY's alternation of "shock value" gags like Hitler having his own talk show with pop culture references to stuff like Gilligan's Island never impressed me.


I liked the recent Mad Magazine that covered (and justifiably ripped into) Family Guy (mostly comparing it to the Simpsons).

Never liked "Family Guy" either---feels like a poor ripoff of both "South Park"  and "The Simpsons" (while missing both show's strong points). Well, I do like Stewie the baby and Brian the dog, but not willing to put up with everything else about said show just to see one or two characters I might like (guess similar to how I don't like any of the characters on Smallville save for Lex, and don't watch the show... yeah, so I sort of got back on topic :-) )
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« Reply #9 on: February 26, 2006, 01:15:15 AM »

Stewie is nothing but a shameless rip off of the baby version of Jimmy Corrigan, the Smartest Kid on Earth.

See for yourself: http://www.kempa.com/ware/bigJCFG.gif
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« Reply #10 on: February 27, 2006, 06:48:37 AM »

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He's already turned Superboy Prime into a murderer and currently writes Kal-L as a naive lackey to Alex Luthor with a Parallex-fetish.


Yeah, but who the hell was Superboy-Prime, anyway? I'm all for giving respect to characters with history, but the thing here is this: at least as a villain Superboy-Prime has a personality...and something to do. It's not like he was Hal Jordan, who is universaly beloved and has a history of writers giving him a strong characterization and a real personality, and who, further, fulfills a niche in DC ecology.

I shed a tear when HAWKWORLD and LONGBOW HUNTERS made Hawkman and Green Arrow unrecognizeable and conceptually divorced, not to mention unoriginal trend-trollers. But why are we getting all sentimental about Superboy-Prime, anyway? My attachment is to the Pre-Crisis DC history, and Superboy-Prime was a character created for Crisis that didn't survive Crisis.

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Stewie is nothing but a shameless rip off of the baby version of Jimmy Corrigan, the Smartest Kid on Earth.

See for yourself: http://www.kempa.com/ware/bigJCFG.gif


Wait...you mean FAMILY GUY may not be 100% original? My world no longer makes sense.
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« Reply #11 on: February 27, 2006, 10:32:50 AM »

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Yeah, but who the hell was Superboy-Prime, anyway? I'm all for giving respect to characters with history, but the thing here is this: at least as a villain Superboy-Prime has a personality...and something to do. It's not like he was Hal Jordan, who is universaly beloved and has a history of writers giving him a strong characterization and a real personality, and who, further, fulfills a niche in DC ecology.


What personality? The kid was written as a jealous (plus whiny) fanboy and a complete tool just to make Kon-El look good.

Not to mention the fact that his lackey-status completly contradicts Alex's statement about the Luthor/Superman relationship.

The only saving grace to all of this mess would be if the Psycho Pirate and/or the Anti-Monitor was manipulating them.

So far Infinite Crisis is shaping up to be a bad rehash of Zero Hour.
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« Reply #12 on: February 27, 2006, 10:35:52 AM »

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Yeah, but who the hell was Superboy-Prime, anyway? I'm all for giving respect to characters with history, but the thing here is this: at least as a villain Superboy-Prime has a personality...and something to do. It's not like he was Hal Jordan, who is universaly beloved and has a history of writers giving him a strong characterization and a real personality, and who, further, fulfills a niche in DC ecology.

I shed a tear when HAWKWORLD and LONGBOW HUNTERS made Hawkman and Green Arrow unrecognizeable and conceptually divorced, not to mention unoriginal trend-trollers. But why are we getting all sentimental about Superboy-Prime, anyway? My attachment is to the Pre-Crisis DC history, and Superboy-Prime was a character created for Crisis that didn't survive Crisis.


Hmmmm.  How to explain.....Look at him Smiley

SB-Prime is the closest thing we are ever going to get to the original Superboy...THAT is what it is all about.   He had the same personality, everything except the history (the original Superboy knew who and what he was from a young age)

SB-Prime could have slipped into the role easily and would have been accepted.  And would have been better than what we ended up with...Kon (superpunk) El....gag.

When they did this to him...they soiled the image of the original Superboy.

So it was not so much Superboy Prime they destroyed...it was the Image he represented to many fans...the TRUE Superboy.

That's reason enough to be disgusted, don't you think?

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« Reply #13 on: February 27, 2006, 03:46:01 PM »

yes.. suberboy could have been retconned into being superman as a kid with a really crappy origin...

of course then man of steel wouldn't have happened....
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« Reply #14 on: February 28, 2006, 01:20:26 AM »

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yes.. suberboy could have been retconned into being superman as a kid with a really crappy origin...


crappy origin? Depends on your point of view I suppose.  I think it would have been great.

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of course then man of steel wouldn't have happened....


And this would be a bad thing how?

I am NOT a fan of the Byrnes Blasphemy Smiley

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« Reply #15 on: February 28, 2006, 02:57:24 AM »

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Yeah, but who the hell was Superboy-Prime, anyway? I'm all for giving respect to characters with history, but the thing here is this: at least as a villain Superboy-Prime has a personality...and something to do. It's not like he was Hal Jordan, who is universaly beloved and has a history of writers giving him a strong characterization and a real personality, and who, further, fulfills a niche in DC ecology.

Julian, ref this post.

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