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Question: Geoff Johns: Hero or Menace?  (Voting closed: April 20, 2006, 12:54:29 AM)
Hero - 7 (50%)
Menace - 7 (50%)
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« on: April 20, 2006, 05:44:20 AM »

Superman 651; the bodycount:

2 bystanders fall to their death;
2 guards have their brains sucked out and eaten;
one man has his heart ripped out by a completely uncaring monster who regards human life as disposable and gloats in cruelty.

You'd think the CCA would catch this stuff.

I will have to drop the Superman books until Geoff Johns is off them, and I will be returning this issue to the store for a refund.

The previous two issues were fun while they lasted, though.

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« Reply #1 on: April 20, 2006, 06:29:27 AM »

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one man has his heart ripped out by a completely uncaring monster who regards human life as disposable and gloats in cruelty.


By the same guy who accidently destroyed an entire planet full of people, including his own family, in an attempt to kill Superman (and blamed him for the incident). Did he not?

I will continue to pick up the books, they haven't been this good in ages.
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« Reply #2 on: April 20, 2006, 06:34:23 AM »

The key difference here is "accidently" versus tortuously cruel, gloating, and graphicly violent.

Besides, you've touched on one of the many reasons that I don't like Marv Wolfman, either. Smiley

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« Reply #3 on: April 20, 2006, 06:45:18 AM »

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Superman 651; the bodycount:

2 bystanders fall to their death;


Where?

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2 guards have their brains sucked out and eaten;


Their blood sucked out, actually.  Fleas drink blood, they don't eat brains.  And I plotted that bit.

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one man has his heart ripped out by a completely uncaring monster who regards human life as disposable and gloats in cruelty.


That particular man has survived such treatment before, so I hardly think it adds to the bodycount.    And the man who did it has been uncaring and a killer for decades, and has often gloated in cruelty.

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You'd think the CCA would catch this stuff.


There is no CCA rule against there being deaths in comic books.  Otherwise, those bastards Siegel and Shuster, who blew up a whole planet, would be booted out of the industry right alongside that parent-killer Bob Kane.

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I will have to drop the Superman books until Geoff Johns is off them, and I will be returning this issue to the store for a refund.

The previous two issues were fun while they lasted, though.


First issue's bodycount is at least as high -- two scientists killed on the Avenue of Tomorrow.

Second issue didn't have any on-panel deaths, but it did establish that one of the villains liked burning through people with fake heat-vision.

Next two issues have no on-panel deaths that I can recall offhand.

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« Reply #4 on: April 20, 2006, 06:46:20 AM »

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Besides, you've touched on one of the many reasons that I don't like Marv Wolfman, either. Smiley


You don't like Marv Wolfman because of a Cary Bates story?

I voted "Menace," though.  "Threat" wasn't one of the choices...

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« Reply #5 on: April 20, 2006, 06:56:36 AM »

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The key difference here is "accidently" versus tortuously cruel, gloating, and graphicly violent.


By a guy that has been a villian for decades (one that has killed in the past, if I had my archives available, then I would go into detail). For me, that's the key difference. Villian. Not the hero.

Yes, some of the violence is graphic. But, this is nothing compared to Infinite Crisis (and you already know my opinion on that).

I'm just glad that the heroes are heroes again.
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« Reply #6 on: April 20, 2006, 08:05:40 AM »

Meh. I think Johns is a great writer (ditto for Busiek). At the moment, the violence content doesn't bother me the least in the Superman books.

Heck, Metallo used to steal HUMAN hearts (by teleportation) from his still living victims. Keep in mind that this was in the seventies. The point is that some villains are going to be killers. And frankly, it's not like the Superman mythos (including the pre-Crisis one) doesn't have its history of villains that killed. While it might not have been as graphic, it still happened. Besides Metallo, another good example is Jax-Ur, who blew up an inhabited moon of Krypton by accident (there's that word again) and felt no sympathy over his actions. As for Luthor being a killer--well, he is. Birthright established that he'll kill to accomplish his goals. He's willing to sacrifice people to achieve his ends--including his own allies.

Anyway, I like the current Superman comics (though my favorite is still All-Star Superman) and will continue to support them. Why? Because I enjoy reading them. I'm not trying to convince anyone or invalidate their opinions, though. I just had to get that off my chest.
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« Reply #7 on: April 20, 2006, 12:49:57 PM »

Cant say until I catch up with this stuff.
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