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« Reply #16 on: August 10, 2006, 05:16:48 PM »

Julian, you think I liked the Byrne rendition?!  I had suspected you were off your rocker when you were making anagrams of authors' names, but now I am sure...  SURE!!!!!  <laughs maniacally>

The few Byrne ideas that I did appreciate -- Krypton as this sterile place, not having his adopted family all die off -- were extensions of ideas from the movie.  The "Let's make Supergirl a protoplasmic blob, have him kill, be in a porn movie with Big Barda, be constantly plagued with self doubt because he really is inadequate" Superman was NEVER my idea of what Superman ought to be about.
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« Reply #17 on: August 10, 2006, 05:33:15 PM »

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So, if the comics strongly implied that Smallville was East Coast and very near Metropolis and did so for DECADES...well, that's it, then.


The DECADES is fine for emphasis of your point, however, the only pre Bronze Age reference you cited in your construction of a misconception was the original Legion story that stated Smallville was close to Metropolis, not where either was...so if Maggin was the first to state the east coast in his seaboard travelogue, we are talking about 10 years before Crisis here...

That leaves about 30 some years where these locations were unspecified, probably deliberately.
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« Reply #18 on: August 11, 2006, 03:18:49 AM »

Admittedly, they have given the impression that Metropolis and Gotham were in New York at different points in time.  DC's been obscure about where Metropolis is on purpose.

I also like the idea of Smallville being in New Jersey.
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« Reply #19 on: August 11, 2006, 04:22:29 AM »

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Julian, you think I liked the Byrne rendition?! I had suspected you were off your rocker when you were making anagrams of authors' names, but now I am sure... SURE!!!!! <laughs maniacally>


Aw, relax, I'm just busting your chops.

Actually, it's more frustration turned to muderous rage that I can't find an anagram for UNCLE MXY (no seriously, try it).

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So, if the comics strongly implied that Smallville was East Coast and very near Metropolis and did so for DECADES...well, that's it, then.


The DECADES is fine for emphasis of your point, however, the only pre Bronze Age reference you cited in your construction of a misconception was the original Legion story that stated Smallville was close to Metropolis, not where either was...so if Maggin was the first to state the east coast in his seaboard travelogue, we are talking about 10 years before Crisis here...

That leaves about 30 some years where these locations were unspecified, probably deliberately.


You keep on saying that, but there have been many occasions in the Silver Age (I can't speak with authority on the Golden Age) where Metropolis has been shown to be coastal: Metropolis is shown to have harbors and to be occasionally menaced by a tidal wave. Some of the early Superman/Aquaman team-ups take this for granted, for instance. There was one early Supergirl story where Kara was trapped underwater by Red Kryptonite, and was able to battle crime from the sea.

Metropolis on several occasions, is also shown to have sharp winters that get snow, and hot summers; if it was, for instance, a city in the Southwest, this would not be AS true, and the Summers in places like the the Dakotas and Canadian border are not as pronounced, ruling them out, too.

And cities in the South, even sophisticated, cosmopolitan cties like Atlanta, have a fundamentally different character that would be noticed, and wasn't present in Metrpolis.

Even discouting the Bronze Age details like Metropolis having landmarks that correlate to New York (WGBS building instead of Rockefeller Center) would the location of the Northeast not be a shrewd guess?
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« Reply #20 on: August 11, 2006, 04:51:34 AM »

Hey, its a shrewd guess when you try to pin down the location based on individual stories that show plunges into the sea, etc...but these are generic oceans without names...my main argument is that after some aborted attempts at Cleveland in the Golden Age, there was a long period of time where Metropolis was left as an ambiguous location on purpose, because that's where  DC comics editors seemed to want to leave their world at the time.  Honestly, I think it was  the "real world" attempts of the Bronze Age that made the more direct correlations more apparent, because that's where the writers wanted to go...

Just as an aside, the extremes of hot and cold in the Dakotas are actually pretty incredible...

Actually, I don't think its a big deal as far as an argument, more a change in what the specifics of the DC mythos meant from the 50s/60s to the 70s...but then I am just coming back from the Comics Books Resources Forum thread on the speed of Superman vs The Flash, and that depresses me a lot more... Cool
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« Reply #21 on: August 11, 2006, 03:55:57 PM »

Didn't they claim in the DC/Marvel team up of Justice League and Avengers that the DC earth is "bigger" than the Marvel one, because they have more cities on it, i.e. cities that don't exist on the real earth (Metropolis, Gotham, Central, Keystone, Coast and Star)?

I've toyed with the idea in my own mind that Gotham is in New York (too many obvious referrences for it to be anywhere else) and that Metropolis is in New Jersey (taking the place of Newark, perhaps).  That would place Smallville in Jersey or Pennsylvania (If it's in PA it could be on the Jersey border).
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« Reply #22 on: August 11, 2006, 04:30:51 PM »

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Didn't they claim in the DC/Marvel team up of Justice League and Avengers that the DC earth is "bigger" than the Marvel one, because they have more cities on it, i.e. cities that don't exist on the real earth (Metropolis, Gotham, Central, Keystone, Coast and Star)?



That also explains how all the home cities of one-time Earth-2, Earth-4, Earth-S heroes were relocated onto former Earth-1 during the Crisis (I don't believe Earth-X had any unique locations).
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« Reply #23 on: August 15, 2006, 08:50:23 PM »

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For one thing, during the first appearance of the Legion of Super-Heroes, it was explained that Smallville is now a "neighborhood" or district of Metropolis; this implies that it is close enough to be a part of Metropolis's 30th Century expanded boundaries.


Do you mean this story?  Because it only states that Smallville is large in the future.  Maybe you are referring to another one?

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