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« Reply #8 on: December 27, 2006, 12:48:31 PM »

The best way to show you is to well show you.

http://herogames.com/forums/

As you go through the posts, you'll notice that there are rep power numbers and little boxes that tell how worthy a person is.
 
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« Reply #9 on: December 27, 2006, 03:09:03 PM »

If I could go back in time and prevent three people from doing the deed that made them famous, I would pick:

The deranged fan who killed John Lennon;

Oliver North;

and Bjo Trimble.

Thanks to Bee-joe "saving STAR TREK" with a letter-writing campaign all the way back in 1960-whenever it was, every time some diehard fan is unhappy with Claudia Christian getting shafted on BABYLON 5 or movie franchises having a director they don't personally like, suddenly it becomes a huge drama queen explosion, with petitions and protests and moneyraising.

Here's the thing: some things are worth raising a stink about, and some things are not. Some things you can change by complaining loudly enough, and some things you can't. This is not to say people aren't entitled to express their opinions or that they're not entitled to express them, but...c'mon, a letter writing campaign to studio executives is insane overkill.

When I heard KUNG FU: THE LEGEND CONTINUES was going to be canceled, I took the news like a man. (I was of course, crying and gnashing on the inside.)

On the other hand, a a "fanboy's fanboy," I can absolutely understand the passion of the die-hard fan, and far be it for me to remove someone's right to complain!  Grin Maybe I'd find this entire anti-SUPERMAN RETURNS kick to be a little less futile if it wasn't a movie that I, personally, am happy with. I don't know.

But one thing is for sure: every time somebody signs the Save Our Sailors petition, a baby kitten dies!

(To our friends from Australia: a "kitten" is a type of small animal, sort of like the wallaby, except it lives on land.)
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« Reply #10 on: December 27, 2006, 03:33:49 PM »

When I heard KUNG FU: THE LEGEND CONTINUES was going to be canceled, I took the news like a man. (I was of course, crying and gnashing on the inside.)

I'm the guy who got it cancelled, by writing to the studio execs!
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« Reply #11 on: December 27, 2006, 03:42:21 PM »

Administrator's note:  I removed the name of John Lennon's killer from Julian's post.  When the man was asked why he killed Lennon, he replied that he wanted to acheive fame by being remembered as Lennon's killer.  Yoko Ono has requested that, because of this, his name not be mentioned.  I would like to honor her request on this forum.
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« Reply #12 on: December 27, 2006, 04:52:30 PM »

If I could go back in time and prevent three people from doing the deed that made them famous, I would pick:
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Bjo Trimble.

Thanks to Bee-joe "saving STAR TREK" with a letter-writing campaign all the way back in 1960-whenever it was, every time some diehard fan is unhappy with Claudia Christian getting shafted on BABYLON 5 or movie franchises having a director they don't personally like, suddenly it becomes a huge drama queen explosion, with petitions and protests and moneyraising.
Good grief!  What kind of drugs did you get for Christmas?!?

She was in touch with what a lot of people wanted, and had the temerity to get them to express it in a productive way.  There was no Internet to glue interested people together, and no demographics to show anyone how the  show was successful.  Today, the technologies that unify (and in a lot of  cases, segregate) communities would've inevitably led to similar modes of protest.  For better and worse, the audience now has a larger voice and the mainstream media is going to react to it.

Do you think Superman would have a WWW site?  A blog (written in all known Earthly languages)?  Or would he trust Lois and the Daily Planet to interpret his example and message right for all the world.  Does Clark write with the idea that he has a legacy, that someday when his identity is found out, that his words will be analysed for generations to come? 

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« Reply #13 on: December 27, 2006, 06:27:09 PM »

Administrator's note:  I removed the name of John Lennon's killer from Julian's post.  When the man was asked why he killed Lennon, he replied that he wanted to acheive fame by being remembered as Lennon's killer.  Yoko Ono has requested that, because of this, his name not be mentioned.  I would like to honor her request on this forum.

You're the boss, but, for the record, I disagree with this.
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« Reply #14 on: December 27, 2006, 09:12:20 PM »

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Good grief!  What kind of drugs did you get for Christmas?!?

She was in touch with what a lot of people wanted, and had the temerity to get them to express it in a productive way.  There was no Internet to glue interested people together, and no demographics to show anyone how the  show was successful.  Today, the technologies that unify (and in a lot of  cases, segregate) communities would've inevitably led to similar modes of protest.  For better and worse, the audience now has a larger voice and the mainstream media is going to react to it.

I'm not saying Beejoe wasn't terrific; she, after all, is "the fan that saved STAR TREK."

What I am saying is because she got the ball rolling, and great things came of it, that overreaction became a kneejerk fan response.

Here's the thing, though: people disagree. The nature of something like entertainment is nobody comes to a common consensus on it. A lot of people complain about how diehard fans are "pleased with nothing," but what's left out from that assessment is that nothing pleases everyone 100% of the time. A friend of mine called THE GODFATHER "the most overrated movie of all time." And that's THE GODFATHER, which is one of the closest things in our culture to being something that is universally loved, along with Morgan Freeman and french fries.

I for one, really enjoyed SUPERMAN RETURNS. Clearly, this guy did not. But having a differing opinion on a movie isn't call for a letter-writing campaign. Can't people disagree about a movie without whipping the petitions out?

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Do you think Superman would have a WWW site?  A blog (written in all known Earthly languages)?  Or would he trust Lois and the Daily Planet to interpret his example and message right for all the world.  Does Clark write with the idea that he has a legacy, that someday when his identity is found out, that his words will be analysed for generations to come? 

He might have one. Superman's approach to publicity seems to be one of the few inconstant aspects of Superman's characterization. For instance, there are some stories where Superman gives interviews with "Clark Kent" on WGBS and goes on the Earth-1 equivalent of the Tonight Show, and there was another characterization where Superman avoids publicity.

If the first characterization is more your bag, I can see Superman blogging. Superman would probably spend a lot of time talking about environmental issues, what with having lost his home planet and all (this was Conway's great addition to Superman's characterization: giving him proactive environmentalism). I can't see Superman using his blog to sell t-shirts and S-mugs, though. As Perry White (ironically) proclaimed during the whole Cary Bates Supermobile fiasco, "Superman is ABOVE crass merchandizing!"

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Administrator's note:  I removed the name of John Lennon's killer from Julian's post.  When the man was asked why he killed Lennon, he replied that he wanted to acheive fame by being remembered as Lennon's killer.  Yoko Ono has requested that, because of this, his name not be mentioned.  I would like to honor her request on this forum.

Fair enough. That guy was an odious little spit, so if that's what Yoko wants, that's what Yoko gets.
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« Reply #15 on: December 27, 2006, 11:30:35 PM »

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Do you think Superman would have a WWW site?  A blog (written in all known Earthly languages)?  Or would he trust Lois and the Daily Planet to interpret his example and message right for all the world.  Does Clark write with the idea that he has a legacy, that someday when his identity is found out, that his words will be analysed for generations to come? 

He might have one. Superman's approach to publicity seems to be one of the few inconstant aspects of Superman's characterization. For instance, there are some stories where Superman gives interviews with "Clark Kent" on WGBS and goes on the Earth-1 equivalent of the Tonight Show, and there was another characterization where Superman avoids publicity.

If the first characterization is more your bag, I can see Superman blogging. Superman would probably spend a lot of time talking about environmental issues, what with having lost his home planet and all (this was Conway's great addition to Superman's characterization: giving him proactive environmentalism). I can't see Superman using his blog to sell t-shirts and S-mugs, though. As Perry White (ironically) proclaimed during the whole Cary Bates Supermobile fiasco, "Superman is ABOVE crass merchandizing!"

This is actually something I've thought of, ever since they mentioned a dirty pornsite dedicated to Supergirl. Surely Superman would be a blogger, and he'd have his own MySpace account and possibly even a YouTube Vlog: the guy's trying to save the world here, right? So it would make sense for him to try to reach as many people as possible. Like Julian, I feel that Superman should be a keen evironmentalist, and he'd probably try to spread the word as much as he could.

Since Superman is a horse designed by a committee, he can't really have any political opinions of his own, only moral ones, so this can't be canon, but hey, if I were Superman, I'd be using my influence to get people to vote my way.
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