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« Reply #8 on: January 14, 2007, 06:54:49 AM »

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Marvel created tons and vigilantes and anti-heroes in the 1970's: Wolverine, Ghost Rider, Punisher, Son of Satan, Blade, etc. But they were not Super Heroes, but something else.

You've made a mistake by including Wolverine in a list with those others. Dismiss him with an argument by all means, but I'm not convinced by the creation of a list of "non-super-heroes" that you can then discard.

He most certainly is a super-hero, and one of the truly great and popular characters. I'm not going to hold it against you because maybe you read Wolverine too late. I'd say, go back to the good stuff, with two words uppermost in your mind: Chris Claremont.
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« Reply #9 on: January 14, 2007, 05:56:34 PM »

The only Wolverine comics that I have is a reprint of the Hulk Issues and some later stuff that had him killing everything in sight.

Marvel Comics's official statemant on their character is not that of a super hero:

http://www.marvel.com/universe/Wolverine_%28James_Howlett%29

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« Reply #10 on: January 15, 2007, 09:15:26 AM »

My money's on Dazzler!

S-M --check out what Wikipedia has to say about supers!  The def includes Wolvie.

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« Reply #11 on: January 15, 2007, 11:46:11 AM »

How fully fleshed out do they have to be before they could be considered "original" and "truly great"?  Does Neo from The Matrix qualify, or is being a "chosen one" so utterly pedestrian as to defy uniqueness?  How about Goku from Dragon Ball which has roots in Buddhist myth as surely as Superman does with Moses, but goes in a different direction?  Is The Tick unique, or just another example of someone going sane in a crazy world, simply an homage to Bakshi's Mighty Heroes?  Are Xena and Buffy the Vampire Slayer just "Wonder Woman with an attitude"?  Is The Great And Powerful Turtle really just another telekinetic like Scott Baio in Zapped?


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« Reply #12 on: January 15, 2007, 12:51:27 PM »

If we're pulling in Japanese characters,

Guyver
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I can't bring in Devilman, various Ranger shows(like DaiRanger), Cutey Honey, Kamen Rider, Ambassador Magma, Ultraman and a few others since they were created during the 60's and 70's

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« Reply #13 on: January 15, 2007, 04:32:47 PM »

My money's on Dazzler!

S-M --check out what Wikipedia has to say about supers!  The def includes Wolvie.



Wikipedia?!?  Roll Eyes
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« Reply #14 on: January 16, 2007, 04:36:23 AM »

Are you implying we should have a def of superhero in supermanica?Huh??
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« Reply #15 on: January 16, 2007, 11:25:50 AM »

Are you implying we should have a def of superhero in supermanica?Huh??
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no.

I am stating that since Wiki is far more open ended, it is not always right. Actually, they get a lot wrong.

If Marvel Comics doesn't market him as a Superhero then he is not a Superhero. That's pretty clear.
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