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Author Topic: What if Superman had lose with Captain Marvel?  (Read 12631 times)
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« Reply #8 on: June 08, 2007, 04:15:23 PM »

But there's no taking "The Insect Queen" away from him...
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« Reply #9 on: June 23, 2007, 12:41:01 AM »

I repost here this :
I am not as swift to dismiss the possibility of a Captain Marvel update as others are.

The reason is that Captain Marvel was denied something that Superman, Wonder Woman, and Batman all received: continuous publication.

Superman as a character changed from the 1940s to the 1970s and was still demonstratably Superman. I think it would be unreasonable to assume that Captain Marvel would still be fighting Crocodile Men from Punkus and the earth coming to life and throwing all humans, once we get into the more science fiction and adventure elements of the 1960s, a period with very different storytelling and emphasis. Note how different the trolls and paint-faced robots of the Monster Society of Evil are from the time travelling tyrants of the Jerry Siegel Legion of Super-Villains. Note how different late 1950s-early sixties space foe Brainiac is from Marvel's space enemy, the Goatman.

Cap on the other hand, suffers from permanent arrested development. When we think of Captain Marvel, we think of 1940s-1950s Cap with Otto Binder. Now, try to imagine a world where Batman was canceled in 1962, when we had the Bat-Family of Batwoman, Bat-Girl, Ace the Bat-Hound, and so forth, and without Len Wein and Englehart and others to give us their take, which led to Batman and his world being viewed as radically different.

Obviously, this comparison is inexact as Batman and Captain Marvel are different in many ways. However, all this said, I cannot blame nor hold it against any creators for not being 100% in tune with the Lieutenant Marvels and Mr. Tawny, or with the very, very 1950s vibe of the entire series.

Granted, Captain Marvel has had a few series here and there, but even so, he has something that Superman has never had to contend with: the perception that his 1940s-1950s take as his "definitive" one.

Now, note this is an entirely different question than saying, "Will Judd Winnick deliver on Captain Marvel," as I have never read anything by Winnick I really like. I'm just talking about the IDEA here.
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« Reply #10 on: July 01, 2007, 09:33:52 PM »

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A bit off topic, but I wonder how the Binder family feels about the surviving Seigel clan's claim of ownership over an overall property that includes several of Otto's creations?

Interesting. What's the status of this?

Ordinarily I'd say some sarcastic comment here, something like "What, you think the Siegels will just walk away and leave a crown jewel like Krypto the Super-Dog?"

But then I remember that kids show, which is making beaucoup bucks. Who wouldn't want to sicc their lawyers to get a piece of that action?

I've said this before, but Supergirl is such an obvious idea to do that NO ONE deserves credit for "creating" her.

According to this site and others, the Siegel estate was granted ownership of half of the Superman properties in 1999. Thereby, screwing over the Binder family and others in the process.
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« Reply #11 on: July 03, 2007, 07:33:37 AM »

I wonder what Otto Binder's journal entry that day would look like. I'm sure it would be hilarious schadenfreude:

I just read Julian's diary entry.  Very funny!  Julian: I would pay to read this form of comics criticism (ie, fictional diary entries by the creators of "classic" comics) on a regular basis.  Even if I don't always agree with the criticisms, it is a very original format/gimmick.


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