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« Reply #8 on: July 24, 2007, 10:04:37 PM »

My vote goes for One Million too.

That character also appeared in All-Star Superman Smiley
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« Reply #9 on: July 24, 2007, 10:29:25 PM »

My vote goes for One Million too.

That character also appeared in All-Star Superman Smiley

And the circle is closed....
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« Reply #10 on: July 27, 2007, 09:05:19 AM »

There are some basic points that make the difference:

1 - Superman as the real identity in Pre-Crisis;

2 - Krypton being a utopian future;

3 - Superman being effective.

John Byrne´s revamp reversed all of this, and after his run on the books, the Jurgens/Kesel/Ordway/Stern followed his steps. It wasn´t until 1996 that Mark Waid and Grant Morrison started to bring the real Superman back, this leading to the Loeb/Kelly revamp, Birthright and current Busiek/Johns/Donner. Their fist stories still suffered od editorial interference, but JLA, Superman for All Season, and Return to Krypton were the beginning to the full returns of pre-Crisis Superman. DC One Million was the high point of the reconstruction, no doubt about that. Kingdon Come is like a manifest against the Iron Age, a celebration of the iconic and noble super-heroes and a comentary on the comics industry itself. Hence, this stores are not only in the spirit of Pre-Crisis, they are a celebration of Pre-Crisis and an reaction to Post-Crisis.

We have again the points that make Superman the real Superman. The loneliness angle. The Optimistic view of Krypton and the future of mankind. Kal-El as kryptonian becaue this means a higher moral standart. And a Superman that is not a porn star or a murderer or a Peter Parker loser, but the word´s greatest superhero. This is Post-Infinite Crisis now. Let´s see what happens in Post-Final Crisis...   
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« Reply #11 on: July 29, 2007, 03:59:40 AM »

Concerning the ever-glorious All-Star Superman, I would, devoid of any off-hand evidence, deduce that it is in fact a continuation of the exploits experienced by pre-Crisis Superman.

All-Star Superman is pre-Crisis Superman: the Lost Years....
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« Reply #12 on: July 29, 2007, 05:26:37 PM »

I know I'm way in the minority here but People really read something majorly different into Kingdom Come than I do to me its very very iron age. I see as very bleak naturalist and missing the point of Superman.To me forgot the "Super" and became no longer larger than life and confused just the opposite of what they claim. He individual panel is a pretty painting but tell the story poorly and not  very excitingly. I has left comics but heard about Kingdom Come. It annoyed me so much I didn't even want to think about Superheroes again untl  TAS Justice league showed up and reminded me why the characters were cool! To me Kingdom Come is very solidly much of what was wrong with the iron age. If I reread it it the comic still really makes me mad.
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« Reply #13 on: July 29, 2007, 05:58:44 PM »

From the book Superheroes: The Secret Oigin of a Genre, by Peter Coogan:

"Alex Ross and Mark Waid in Kingdon Come do narratively what I attempt to do here analytically: to describe the shift that appears to be taking place in superhero comics, altoughh Ross and Waid´s work is an explicit argument in favor of that shift. The confrontation between Superman and the out-of-control superbeings that they depict is an illustation of the conflict between the two competing ages of superhero comics, Iron and Renaissance. Superman, Batman and Wonder Woman, the key Golden Age superheroes, lead  the fight against the Iron Age anti-heroes and hopefulness of the Golden Age has returned in the Renaissance Age to defeat the darkness and cynism of the Iron Age".

About the JLA: Animated Series, it is based on Post-Crisis continuity and presents a Superman that is the weakest of them all.
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« Reply #14 on: August 01, 2007, 04:18:05 AM »

weaker but  noble and caring and heroic and certainly strong enough to take his proper spot.amoung the heroes of that universe.. Many stories were based on pre-crisis events also. TAS gets the point more than any recent comic has to me anyway. I also know I'm in the extreme minority here who likes the more limited Superman. Thats also why I like the earth 2 all- star guy too. I know I'm a weird Superman fan who actually likes these atypical depictions of the character
Well, Kingdom come certainly does seem in favor of the shift to me also.
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« Reply #15 on: August 01, 2007, 05:49:07 PM »

There are some basic points that make the difference:

1 - Superman as the real identity in Pre-Crisis;
"Clark decided he must turn his titanic strength into channels that would benefit mankind, and so was created...Superman!" gets repeated a lot in the early stories.  Clark comes first.  To me, the keys to "1" are:

- Does Superman live longer than regular humans do?  If he does and he knows he does, then Clark is either a fiction or everyone slurps from Infinity Formula while basking in their own Lazarus Pit.  Given comic book time, I suspect the latter is true.

- When does Superman find out who he is and where he came from?  Pre-Crisis, he knows he's different early on, but how and when he learns where he's from has morphed.  Some aspects of total recall and full command of language at age 2 are scar-for-life frightening.

- Does Clark really "matter" to Superman?  If someone who knows his secret were to ask him "what's your job" in close quarter, would he say "to write a news story" or "to fight crime and evil".  How often does he speak of Superman and Clark in the third person?
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