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Author Topic: Could Superman still function as a Hero after exposure to Gold-K??  (Read 14287 times)
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« Reply #16 on: August 30, 2007, 02:12:33 AM »

not only that but the super-bots had all of supermans POWERS!! and all he did with them was to have them fly by and wave at lois??
supes was a genius but some times didnt have much imagination.

Supes would still be a super genius after getting hit by Gold K ,though wouldnt be able to do super complex equations in a millionth of second anymore

It would be interesting to see him get hit by some Gold K and become a Doc Savage style guy. (and I guess finding some kind of cure later on but its one of those use only once cures that happens in comics)

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« Reply #17 on: August 30, 2007, 12:00:50 PM »

not only that but the super-bots had all of supermans POWERS!! and all he did with them was to have them fly by and wave at lois??
supes was a genius but some times didnt have much imagination.
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Seriously, Alan Moore touched on this with Supreme.  Thinking about it, the robots are mostly to show Superman doing stuff he "shouldn't" be able to do, with the key word being "Superman".  If rhe robots looked like Robby the Robot or H.E.R.B.I.E., that would've turned off the readers who wanted to see Superman do stuff.  The novelty was "looks like Superman", so he had the robots do things where 'looks like Superman" was the big deal, with "has all of Superman's powers" being mostly for show.

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Supes would still be a super genius after getting hit by Gold K ,though wouldnt be able to do super complex equations in a millionth of second anymore
Maybe.  There's a lot of inconsistent portrayals on how smart Superman is without powers.  One thing is that, while he may be smart, he may have key pieces of recall tied up in his superpowers.  Take away his powers and the advanced data and intersticial glue in his normal head might be swiss cheese.  How does he know to learn something in the non-powered part of his brain versus the powered part of his brain if he's super?  Take out 99+% of your brain power and how are you so sure that the 1% left will make you functional.  This could explain why Superman tends to dumb up in the face of Kryptonite.

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It would be interesting to see him get hit by some Gold K and become a Doc Savage style guy. (and I guess finding some kind of cure later on but its one of those use only once cures that happens in comics)
Realistically, Green Kryptonite will always weaken Superman, even if there's a gazillion ways he could make it irrelevant, and Red Kryptonite might as well be Mxy's gift to our dimension's Kryptonians.  But most of Superman's other weaknesses, including an endless # of colors of Kryptonite, aren't so clearly in the public consciousness, should be things he figures out a way to permanently overcome. 
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« Reply #18 on: August 30, 2007, 05:42:32 PM »

Come to think of it, what happens to all the knowledge Superman has stored, like knowing every language on earth, when he loses his powers? Does he just forget it? If so, does it return when his powers are restored, or does he have to learn all the superstuff again?
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« Reply #19 on: August 30, 2007, 07:05:51 PM »

Kryptonite...of any sort...has never really been shown to affect Superman's intelligence. He would probably still play an important leadership role in the Justice League, but he would also lack the ability to survive in the North Pole and would have to abandon his fortress.

In the instances in which Gold K has been used in a story (like Whatever Happened to the Man of Tomorrow? or presumably Superman II) it has

a) been used on purpose, with the intent of Superman to go into retirement, and

b) is extremely rare, with one known piece of it in the fortress. It was to be used by Superman on himself if he broke his vow never to kill, or presumably by Batman if he ever became too much of a threat. (Very few others knew of its existence.)

Where this has been addressed, the majority of work seems to point to Superman not functioning as a hero after exposure to Gold K, because it would have been used on purpose.
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« Reply #20 on: August 30, 2007, 07:25:55 PM »

It depends on what you consider "canon."  In you-know-who's "Pocket Universe" saga, Krypto is exposed to Gold K and loses his super-intelligence, becoming only as smart as the average housepet. 

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« Reply #21 on: August 30, 2007, 11:13:42 PM »

Never thought my comments would generate such a diversity of views on the compexities of Superman being able/unable to function as a hero/superhero after exposure to Gold-K.

The writers always made Superman 'normal' when he lost his powers, however it was his upbringing, by the Kents that, that gave him the 'with great power comes great reponsibility' stance.  It has been part of his psyche since his childhood ( please forgive me that last comment, as to me Superman was firstly Superboy.  I grew up reading the Comics of the late 1950's through to the present day and feel that the Silver Age persona was much more moralistic than the present day persona).  So on that train of thought, a non-powered Kal-eL would surely devise some way of functioning as a crime fighter, whether in a Batman type role, or perhaps as a Iron Man type using his Kryponian intelligence and utilising any Kryptonian equipment he has at hand to create a crime fighting suit imitating the powers he has lost, aka his Kandorian Nightwing character.

Because of his upbringing, he will still feel the need to fight injustice, no matter what the challenges such a venture would bring him.  It matters not that previous tales has him whistfully yearning to be 'normal'.  He knows full well  that he could not stand by and watch innocents being brutalised and crime being committed with impunity. He would act as he has always done.  In that respect, he is a hero, because he will be fully aware that he would, in all probability, be injured trying to right wrongs.

Having said that, surely his non-powered friends would assist him with training and fighting techniques which he has never had to rely on when he was 'more powerful than a locomotive'.

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« Reply #22 on: August 31, 2007, 12:24:33 AM »

Kryptonite...of any sort...has never really been shown to affect Superman's intelligence.
It depends on how you define intelligence.  Exposure to Green K permanently impacted his ability to recall his earliest memories.  Certainly, his actions in the face of the first wavelengths of Kryptonite don't usually involve flying out of range at super speed.  I'm pretty sure that without his powers (for whatever reason), he's been shown lamenting that he can't do lightning calculations. 
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« Reply #23 on: August 31, 2007, 01:47:11 AM »

Well he still comes off as super smart under a red sun, so i would guess he would just be as smart after getting some Gold K.

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